Syrian Civil War: military operations (the show must go on)

May 2019
23
Near East
This war has went on for too long. Syria just needs peace.

But in any event, on the subject of Idlib and the northwest; Turkey should just leave and stop interfering. Their influence has been an extremely negative one since 2011 afterall..
 
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starman

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Jan 2014
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Connecticut
This war has went on for too long. Syria just needs peace.

But in any event, on the subject of Idlib and the northwest; Turkey should just leave and stop interfering. Their influence has been an extremely negative one since 2011 afterall..
Yeah it would be great to see this awful civil war finally wrapped up. Can’t we assume Turkey, perhaps under Russian pressure, agreed not to interfere before this operation was launched?
 
Mar 2016
750
Antalya
This war has went on for too long. Syria just needs peace.

But in any event, on the subject of Idlib and the northwest; Turkey should just leave and stop interfering. Their influence has been an extremely negative one since 2011 afterall..
Yeah, sure. We should just leave, let PKK freely establish base of operations, and tecruitment grounds, let them have lands to rule, chance to boost the organization’s economy to wage wars against us in future, wars driven by greed for resources and 19th century style primitive ethnic nationalism. Uhm... How about no? I also love the fact that no one mentions USAs presence as bad when they are the only party w/a even a legal’ish excuse.

Yes, Turkey have damaged Syria greatly, but not greater than Americans or Europeans.
 

Naomasa298

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Apr 2010
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T'Republic of Yorkshire
Yeah, sure. We should just leave, let PKK freely establish base of operations, and tecruitment grounds, let them have lands to rule, chance to boost the organization’s economy to wage wars against us in future
Actually, yes, "you" should leave. If Turkey dealt with the Kurds in good faith, they wouldn't have this problem in the first place. But Turkey needs an enemy to keep the President's popularity up, doesn't it?

wars driven by greed for resources and 19th century style primitive ethnic nationalism.
Why not? That's exactly what Erdogan indulges in. Turkey is in no position to criticise anyone on the subject of ethnic nationalism.
 
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May 2019
23
Near East
Yeah, sure. We should just leave,
By all means.

YYes, Turkey have damaged Syria greatly, but not greater than Americans or Europeans.
Americans and Europeans did their fair share, no one's denying that.. but it's Turkey we're discussing now, the state enabling more conflict by refusing to honor their end of the agreement of imposing the HTS and other groups to withdraw from the demilitarized region and stopping their de facto umbrella of the militants in that region.
 
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Mar 2016
750
Antalya
Actually, yes, "you" should leave. If Turkey dealt with the Kurds in good faith, they wouldn't have this problem in the first place. But Turkey needs an enemy to keep the President's popularity up, doesn't it?



Why not? That's exactly what Erdogan indulges in. Turkey is in no position to criticise anyone on the subject of ethnic nationalism.
Why not? Simple. It is a detriment to the well-being of Turkish citizens. Erdogan is not a nationalist. He is a Pan Islamist. While he is playing to nationalism card, he despises it.

Consider

“biz her turlu milliyetciligi ayaklar altina aldik”

Meaning, “we have stepped over all kinds of nationalism”. This fits with his political background from “Milli Gorus” in Turkey.

Nationalist rhetoric is due to opportunistic nature of him.

And yes, if we have dealt with them in good faith, it wouldn’t be this much if a problem, but frankly it is irrelevant how you deal with an armed separatist group that is gaining momentum.
 
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Mar 2016
750
Antalya
By all means.


Americans and Europeans did their fair share, no one's denying that.. but it's Turkey we're discussing now, the state enabling more conflict by refusing to honor their end of the agreement of imposing the HTS and other groups to withdraw from the demilitarized region and stopping their de facto umbrella of the militants in that region.
America enables more conflict by supporting YPG, Syrian PKK. If you are not talking about America when it comes to Syria, you better start talking now mate.

As for HTS, unlike YPG protected by America, Turkey has no end objective of creating a proxy out of HTS. They will be cleared by Russians and SAA soon.

We also do not know the exact detaila of the agreement. I mean it would be incompetent of Turkish delegates to give strong guarantees of HTS disarmament, knowing they are Syrian al Qaeda.

Frankly, Turkey is not strong enough to policy-make in Syria independantly. Why all the talk about Turkey? Why no one talks about the coallition which de-facto partitioned a third of syria through their proxies? Turkey is the lesser of problems in Syrias unity. The real problem lies on the East of Euphrates.

Sorry for all spelling mistakes, writing on phone.
 
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Nemowork

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Jan 2011
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South of the barcodes
Does anyone have any good news sources on this?

Theres complete silence on regular news, my best forum source has closed because of advertising and my best blog source has wandered off to start obsessing about gaza.

I've seen various reports from HTS about high SAA casulaties, the SAA claim they have taken Al-bana and are advancing on Kafr Nboudeh which means nothing to me except it seems to be on a plateau so that suggests theyre still playing by the old Hezbollah playbook and taking the high ground so they can control the area with artillery.
 

sparky

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Jan 2017
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Sydney
Assad and Erdogan have common interests , if with different emphasis
Assad want to re-establish the central authority over all of Syria , with possible concession to the Kurds
Erdogan doesn't want a Kurdish state , he use his assets in Idlib to "negotiate" with Assad
Assad hold a deal with the Kurds as a threat to Erdogan

The US is just creating havoc to enfeeble Syria in conformance with Israel wishes

This has been lasting a bit too long ,

I'm using this source , mostly
Map of Syrian Civil War - Syria news and incidents today - syria.liveuamap.com
 
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Mar 2016
750
Antalya
Assad and Erdogan have common interests , if with different emphasis
Assad want to re-establish the central authority over all of Syria , with possible concession to the Kurds
Erdogan doesn't want a Kurdish state , he use his assets in Idlib to "negotiate" with Assad
Assad hold a deal with the Kurds as a threat to Erdogan

The US is just creating havoc to enfeeble Syria in conformance with Israel wishes

This has been lasting a bit too long ,

I'm using this source , mostly
Map of Syrian Civil War - Syria news and incidents today - syria.liveuamap.com
Spot on.
 

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