Tearing down confederate monuments

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tomar

Ad Honoris
Jan 2011
13,509
#13
Its a broader topic than just the US civil war

First statues are a thing of the past... Its rare nowadays to put a statue to someone

Second, its happening in many countries who are revisiting their history with a critical eye (that includes former communist countries).

As a history buff, in general, I think statues -as testimonies of our past- should remain where they are.... (the modern equivalent would be erasing the photos and post of a current politicians in 50 or 100 years time because by that time and by the standards of that day, that politician's positions would no longer be acceptable .... the stalinist equivalent was erasing people from photos when such people had fallen into disgrace such as the one below)....






I fully understand that by our current standards many historical characters have become unsavory but if we go by that rule I think very few , if any, statues would survive...
 
Jun 2011
101
San Francisco Bay Area
#14
You might as well say the same about Nazi flags. "Uhhhh its just history bruh, its not about genocide"

No one waves around George Washingtons face when they shoot 9 unarmed black people IN CHURCH
But do you want to purge our history like Stalin did with his? No matter how ugly it is, it happened and it should be learned from not swept under the rug.
 
Jul 2011
5,938
Belgium
#15
If none of the states had slavery, or, if all of them had slavery, there would have been no war.

So.

The war was about slavery.
I've been having this same discussion in the comments section of a Flemish newspaper today.
It's incredible to see how this "secession was not about slavery, but about economics or states' rights" lie has spread everywhere, even outside the USA.
Then again, I've had a huge discussion in that same comments section about the Nazi's. Apparently, most commenters there had the idea that the Nazi's were Left-wing liberals. I feel dumber, just by having read those comments.
 
May 2013
395
Hays Kansas (ex Australian)
#17
Then again, I've had a huge discussion in that same comments section about the Nazi's. Apparently, most commenters there had the idea that the Nazi's were Left-wing liberals. I feel dumber, just by having read those comments.
Well that comes from the party's name Nationalist Socialists. People see socialists = communists = left wing radicals.

I then point out the official name of North Korea is Democratic People's Republic of Korea

Usual makes them quieten down pretty quick :lol:
 

Naomasa298

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Apr 2010
34,479
T'Republic of Yorkshire
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Well that comes from the party's name Nationalist Socialists. People see socialists = communists = left wing radicals.

I then point out the official name of North Korea is Democratic People's Republic of Korea

Usual makes them quieten down pretty quick :lol:
It is democratic. Everyone gets a vote for Kim.
 
Jul 2011
5,938
Belgium
#20
Well that comes from the party's name Nationalist Socialists. People see socialists = communists = left wing radicals.

I then point out the official name of North Korea is Democratic People's Republic of Korea

Usual makes them quieten down pretty quick :lol:
I've made that exact same comparison in the discussion.
Unfortunately it flew right over their heads.
It's easier to blame those demonic socialists for everything :/
 
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