The Anglo Saxons were worse than the vikings.

authun

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Not my words but the title of an article about the change from celtic to anglo saxon and then norse languages. Like many media headlines, they are written to grab attention, not inform you about what the article is about. In this case, the language change. Nonetheless, it is interesting for those who like to read about the differences. It's non specialist and, as we would say in Yorkshire, it's just laikin about.

The Anglo-Saxons were worse than the Vikings
 
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south Slavic guy
Anglo-Saxons are not that distant from the Vikings (as a culture and genetics) just to begin with.

I don't think it's а bit of a stretch. They were invaders, as the later Vikings and Normans were. They are all of Germanic stock. Coming from basically the same place.
 
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Overwhelming majority of English people are still Celtic-Briton not Germanics.

Anglo-Saxons tried to replace them all but they failed due to large native population thus only language changed. Same thing happened in Anatolia with Real Turks, Iran and India with Aryans.

Germanic Anglo-Saxons gave their culture and language to native British people while Vikings only came and pillaged,killed British people. Only after some years they assimilated with no big cultural influence outside York.

So I don't think that comparing Anglo-Saxons with Vikings is fair.
 

Linschoten

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The majority of English people are of mixed old British and Anglo-Saxon descent, the latter being a strong element in the mix (almost 40% according to genetic texss). There was evidently a great deal of intermarriage and acculturation, the Germanic newcomers did not try to drive out or destroy all of the old inhabitants.
 
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Feb 2015
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Overwhelming majority of English people are still Celtic-Briton not Germanics.

Anglo-Saxons tried to replace them all but they failed due to large native population thus only language changed. Same thing happened in Anatolia with Real Turks, Iran and India with Aryans.

Germanic Anglo-Saxons gave their culture and language to native British people while Vikings only came and pillaged,killed British people. Only after some years they assimilated with no big cultural influence outside York.

So I don't think that comparing Anglo-Saxons with Vikings is fair.
That has nothing to do with reality though.

The British ARE Vikings (at least partly as Vikings intermixed with the local population in different regions). There is a strong Norse admixiture in the English, as well as in Wales and even in Scotland. Practically everywhere.

It's also a false accusation that Vikings only raped and pillaged, or killed "British" people. Vikings were often allies to Anglo-Saxons against other Vikings. They also had their unique culture within the kingdom. And were pretty much the ruling class even before the Norman (French) conquest of the British isles.
 

Chlodio

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If the article is just about changing languages then, yes, I can see why the change from Celtic or Latin to English was far more traumatic than was any transition from English to another Germanic language spoken by the Vikings.
 
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authun

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If the article is just about changing languages then, yes, I can see why the change from Celtic or Latin to English was far more traumatic than was any transition from English to another Germanic language spoken by the Vikings.
Yes, it is about language, the sub headline is "Linguistically, the Anglo-Saxons practically eradicated the native Britons."

It provides examples of the difference, OE “Ic selle the that hors the draegeth minne waegn.” and Norse equivalent, "Ek mun selja ther hrossit er dregr vagn mine.” It's interesting that modern German still uses Ross as an older word for Pferd, cf norse hross. My use of the word 'laikin' is a remnant of norse in the yorkshire dialect. It is unknown in most of the country. Some norse words did make it into standard english, words like anger or window but most just exist in dialects, in the north.

"If that seeas a yow rigwelted, tha mun upskittle it" is modern yorkshire accented english but with two norse dialect words, rigwelted and upskittle. A famous sundial near to where I live, in a church built by a norse settler, has an inscription in old english but with one exception, "þis is dæges solmerca, æt ilcum tide. " This is the day's sunmarker, at every tide. Solmerca is pure norse.
 
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authun

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So I don't think that comparing Anglo-Saxons with Vikings is fair.
The article is comparing the languages, nothing else. We see norse language in modern english, well over 150 of them in the standard language and many more in the dialects, much mire, dregs, dirt, berserk, club etc. By contrast, we see only a dozen of so celtic words in english.