The "Gilets Jaunes" in France: a revolution unfolding in front of our eyes ?

Jul 2016
1,197
Dengie Peninsula
How much money does a "Yellow jersey" Have? I assume they are revolting as they do not have enough to survive. Thus, how can they bring pressure onto the Bank's liquidity position as they they have not got enough money in the first place, so they say!
 
May 2017
864
France
In fact,the "yellow jerseys" are less than 100 000 members.But their revendications concern all the classes of the society;60-65 %.So they have a lot of popularity,considering that in France we have not a syndicalism of members-the french mentality is very individualist-but a syndicalism of delegation (the mandat and NOT the adhesion).The french workers have refused in the 60ies the anglo saxon system of the "closed shop" or "union shop Policy".Nowadays,the french political parties are unable to control this population.So the future will be very complicated.
Concerning the salary,and the labor law,France has a big problem.The Code du Tavail has been built in 1910 in a contradiction total with the Code Civil of Napoleon (1804).So in our legislation,the enterprises choose the system of "louage temporaire de services",and the syndicates want the application of the labor laws which precise that the common contract is the contract of undetermining during.But since 1993,we have 10 % of undetermined contracts,and 90 % of determined contracts.....The salaries have falled in front of the inflation.The SMIC was at the time of de Gaulle the salary of 3 % of the population (people who never went to school,immigrates,ex convicts etc...).Now it is the salary of 25 % of th population (ex students without certificates,immigrants and sons and girls of the middle class of the 70ies).
 
Oct 2010
4,985
DC
In fact,the "yellow jerseys" are less than 100 000 members.But their revendications concern all the classes of the society;60-65 %.So they have a lot of popularity,considering that in France we have not a syndicalism of members-the french mentality is very individualist-but a syndicalism of delegation (the mandat and NOT the adhesion).The french workers have refused in the 60ies the anglo saxon system of the "closed shop" or "union shop Policy".Nowadays,the french political parties are unable to control this population.So the future will be very complicated.
Concerning the salary,and the labor law,France has a big problem.The Code du Tavail has been built in 1910 in a contradiction total with the Code Civil of Napoleon (1804).So in our legislation,the enterprises choose the system of "louage temporaire de services",and the syndicates want the application of the labor laws which precise that the common contract is the contract of undetermining during.But since 1993,we have 10 % of undetermined contracts,and 90 % of determined contracts.....The salaries have falled in front of the inflation.The SMIC was at the time of de Gaulle the salary of 3 % of the population (people who never went to school,immigrates,ex convicts etc...).Now it is the salary of 25 % of th population (ex students without certificates,immigrants and sons and girls of the middle class of the 70ies).
since we are talking "labor" law, how easy is it in france to fire an incompetent/lazy/sitting-there worker (public and private) ?

Also, why does the french immigration system make it very hard for skilled workers to get certifications and naturalization when compared to illegal-entrants, over-stayers, """refugees""", or those with "Mariage blanc" ? Is that supported by the "labor" movements to keep interested foreign skilled labor from getting into the system ? or wage-lowering scheme? or both?
 
May 2017
864
France
In fact,France has a big problem with the immigration.After the two world wars-where all the nationalities have participated-it was indispensable four our economy to dispose of thousands of miles of workers from foreign origins.Two reasons:the human losses,2 millions,and the french mentality….
Construction:for the spanishes,italians and portugueses.
Siderurgy:for the polishes,romanians and arabians.
Metallurgy:for the africans and arabians.
The CGPF/CNPF approved because the foreigners were considered as more resistant and less revendicatives than the french. The political power agreed with the boss organizations for three reasons:
1) The french workers would be less revendicatives.
2) The salaries could stay low and permit the augmentation of the benefits.
3)The immigrants would live in popular cities controled by the PCF and could provok reactions of extreme right.With his marxist ideology,the PCF could not refuse foreign workers.
It is at this moment that appeared the National Front,with a political position against the immigration.But in fact the rise of the FN was helped by the social democrats who revendicated the power and knew that the succes of the FN would destroy the PCF electoral s bastions, would oblige the right to choose between the electoral defeat (no alliance) and the electoral success (alliance and accusation of complicity with racism) and will divise everybody and confort the political positions of the "left moderated".
 

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Ad Honoris
Jan 2011
13,228
since we are talking "labor" law, how easy is it in france to fire an incompetent/lazy/sitting-there worker (public and private) ?

Also, why does the french immigration system make it very hard for skilled workers to get certifications and naturalization when compared to illegal-entrants, over-stayers, """refugees""", or those with "Mariage blanc" ? Is that supported by the "labor" movements to keep interested foreign skilled labor from getting into the system ? or wage-lowering scheme? or both?
I thinnk the whole french economic system (and to a lesser extent that of most european countries) is still stuck in the early 70s when labor was a rare commodity .... and unskilled labor was much needed...

Hence labor is still heavily taxed...for example when an employer pays 3000 euros monthly , the employee only gets about 1600 of that - the rest going to social contributions and all kinds of non income tax- and THEN he pays income tax on these 1 600 -actually on more than these 1 600 since some social contributions are not tax decudctible (thus its a double tax) ... so after income tax the employee is left with less than 1 500 euros out of the original 3 000..... thats already more than 50% gone.... and then he still has to pay VAT (20% on every purchase) and all kinds of other taxes (taxe on housing, tax on TV, road tax etc... etc...)

And there is still an influx of low skilled labor that is simply not needed due to "70s think"....
 

tomar

Ad Honoris
Jan 2011
13,228
Here is the footage with an ex boxer going hand to hand with police on a bridge in Paris.... There is a whole commotion around that, all the more so since a internet fund raising campaign gather some 100 K euros + for him very quickly before being shut down....

 
Likes: Son of Athena
May 2017
864
France
The Armagnacs and the Bourguignons (1419/2019):
At the beginning of the week,Macron decided to inaugurate and visit the new "house of the handball" at Créteil,in presence of the national team,ready for the new world cup.A big company of "Garde Mobile" was positioned between the HOHB and a troop of "yellow jerseys" composed with syndicalists of the Hospital Henry Mondor.But the security informed Macron that a new troop was appearing near the "crossroad marquise de Pompadour" (the favorite of Louis XV) the "red pens",a strange revolutionar troop composed with the teachers of the rectorate of Créteil,unsatisfied of their conditions of work and salary.Finally,the gendarmes have utilized the same grenades for the two movements.One of the ministers,Mrs Buzyn decided at the same time to visit a country less savage,the Gévaudan-where died in 1380 the famous Bertrand du Guesclin,during a famous fight against the English-Navarrese troop of Pierre de Galard-but was bad received by a delegation of lozeran peasants who asked her:"When will you restablish the taxe under the fortune"...Macron was informed that a friend counter attack was prepared with the "blue jackets",and their new allied forces,the "red headscarfs".So,to prove their force,the "yellow jerseys" have decided to make a demonstration of force in Bourges, the capital of France during the war of 100 years.The security forces have decided to defend the "historical center" of Bourges,the "donjon" of their king in difficulties.
 
Oct 2013
14,080
Europix
Here is the footage with an ex boxer going hand to hand with police on a bridge in Paris.... There is a whole commotion around that, all the more so since a internet fund raising campaign gather some 100 K euros + for him very quickly before being shut down....

I think I've put this question to dupuy too: what would be this boxer's social griefs, expressed in his demonstration?
 

tomar

Ad Honoris
Jan 2011
13,228
I think I've put this question to dupuy too: what would be this boxer's social griefs, expressed in his demonstration?
Low pensions for boxers ? Inadequate insurance ? Who knows ....

There are a couple of versions doing the rounds

1- he saw the police hitting a woman so he rushed in
2 - he participated in several demonstrations, was tear gased several times and this was one time too many

Of course I cannot resist in reposting this bit from the excellently funny Demolition Man movie (1993 ..... and they foresaw some of the evolutions of our society)



We're police officers.... we're not trained to handle this kind of violence