the good Impact of BritishRaj in South Asia.

May 2013
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The abode of the lord of the north
English is just another language, and is currently used as the lingua franca. Your example of Persian is also very apt, imagine if Persian suddenly became the global lingua franca during the time of Persian being widely used within India, surely a benefit to Indians on the global stage, no?
Yes, that's true. I agree India did get merited from its Anglicization. But I doubt if it was an underlying achievement of the British. Surely introducing native population to a lingua franca wasn't in Britain's agenda when they colonized around. It happened as a good thing. But that wasn't their plan.
 
Feb 2019
38
Mumbai
Not much data to suggest that english has been a big boon for us. Very few Indians are fluent enough in English to derive commercial benefit from it. Of those who are fluent, majority have accents that are hard to understand for a native speaker. There may be no more than 30-50 million Indians as a whole who are both fluent and have an understandable accent so that they can derive commercial benefit from it. Most of India's blue collar workers (the jobs that eliminate poverty at mass scale) are in textile, manufacturing and construction industry where knowledge of English is not really required. So yes knowledge of English is a plus no doubt, but lets not over-exaggerate its importance.
 
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Devdas

Ad Honorem
Apr 2015
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India
English is just another language, and is currently used as the lingua franca. Your example of Persian is also very apt, imagine if Persian suddenly became the global lingua franca during the time of Persian being widely used within India, surely a benefit to Indians on the global stage, no?
Persian was once a lingua franca in large of medieval Asia before Europe colonialism took over, the main reason was Turkic tribes who ruled large parts of Asia instantly adopted Persian as their own language. For a native speaker of English, global prevalence of English is a matter of matter of pride, there is no surprise in that.
 

Devdas

Ad Honorem
Apr 2015
4,057
India
Yes, that's true. I agree India did get merited from its Anglicization. But I doubt if it was an underlying achievement of the British. Surely introducing native population to a lingua franca wasn't in Britain's agenda when they colonized around. It happened as a good thing. But that wasn't their plan.
Well, the adoption of English in India was not because of merit of English being a global language. Some ethnic group in India believed that English as a alien language to India would bring parity in language rights of various regions of India and that was the only reason for continuation of English in India post-independence era. Infact, India was closed economy until 1991 to have a global benefit of knowing English.
 
Apr 2018
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Mythical land.
A combination of both, the superiority in weaponry and most importantly, more discipline in using gun-based infantry. Both played the part together to outclass Indians. Remember, after repelling the Dutch, Martanda Varma of Travancore made Eustachius de Lannoy, a dutch commander train his army into a gun-based european infantry. This Travancore army would then successfully repel mysore invasions multiple times.
Quality matters!
not really,indian gunpowder was mostly superior to english ones AFAIK,even when wellessly defeated sindhia's forces at laswari and assaye he commented that cannons he saw were the "best pieces of brass artillery" he has ever seen,also discipline wasn't really an issue,the main reason why marathas lost was maratha's inter factional rivalry,superior british economy and finally lack of good leaders at the top.
 
Apr 2018
1,374
Mythical land.
True, but could have would have means nothing to the real history. Nothing stopped them from annexing those small kingdoms before British or Afghans came, even during their peak they were not able to get those Regions under their rule proves my point they they were not strong enough to unite India.
nothing was stopping them,that is why they conquered malwa,gujarat,doab,delhi,etc before coming of europeans as military power.
 
Apr 2018
1,374
Mythical land.
A Private Company nevertheless, with an army of local 'Indian' troops plus some units rented from the British Crown and some units of 'European' mercenaries.

Not aware that modern weapons were not available to 'Indian' rulers.
the main reason for loss of marathas were superior british economy rather than military skill,company without support of crown was dead meat anyway.
it was this money power which was used to virtually buy off sindhia's war machine right before second anglo maratha war.
 
Apr 2018
1,374
Mythical land.
This is another exaggeration. Marathas never had the strategy, discipline, organization or leadership skills required to conquer and unite the Indian subcontinent. Also reading how the British did it would tell anyone that Marathas never possessed the skills required to accomplish such an immense task. They eventually ended up marauding and plundering fellow Indians, and becoming a nuisance, and making wide swaths of India lawless. But Hindu extremists consider Marathas and their first leader Shivaji as an Indian equivalent to the Alexander and his Greek army, just because they were Hindus.
weren't you already debunked in this very forum by other member??why continue to repeat lies??your hatred is just irrational,and quite frankly laughably stupid.
 
Apr 2018
1,374
Mythical land.
That's your interpretation. "Pahadi chuha" is a legitimate historical description of his tactics which has to attack and then hide in the mountains. For most Indians of the time, that would be extremely shameful but Pahadi Chuha is considered a "godly figure" by some because of it LOL.
he is responsible for the empire that ruled more than 70% of india at one time,yet somehow he is in same league as some nagar or dhupal or whatever the hell was name of who you think is great,yeah right,LOL.
 
Apr 2018
1,374
Mythical land.
Who is cherry-picking? The reality is that while Marathas were giving daughters to the Sultans of the Deccan, we find that much of North India (and South as well) is in a state of anarchy or only under nominal control. This is a fact of history and nothing can change it.



It seems you were taught history in RSS shakha camps LOL. Need I tell you about the numerous Jat chieftains of Gohad, Ballabgarh or individuals like Jujhar Singh Nehra.
yeah jujhar singh nehra is pretty damn irrelevant,i don't know where you get this idiotic sense of pride from,even the puppet emperor established by maratha chiefs such as sindhia are much more important pretty much the greatest of all jats like suraj mal jat.