the good Impact of BritishRaj in South Asia.

Devdas

Ad Honorem
Apr 2015
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India
Chiese are 2nd largest economy due to their single party rule and economic liberalization.

India on other handg bitch slapped with ineffective democracy and we are still suffering today due to this system.
Indian economy trails because India has more socialism than China.
 
Feb 2019
41
Mumbai
Anything wrong in what I said? You did not actually disprove me at all. Whereas in this thread itself barring you and kandal (well known proponent of debunked aryan invasion theory), other posters seem to be in agreement with me that shivaji is lionized by modern day hindus across several different castes and communities. You are yet to actually disprove me, you entire argument rests on the fact that there is no stadium or park named after shivaji in places like haryana, how am I supposed to take an argument like that seriously especially when public input is rarely taken when naming stuff? Going by that exact same logic, rajiv gandhi is more popular amongst indians than sardar patel! I mentioned before too that people can lionize more than one individual at the same time, my rajput friend considers both rana pratap and shivaji as his 'heroes'. Shivaji may not be a 'godly' figure outside maharashtra, but his popularity is absolutely unmatched compared to his contemporaries. It is highly unfortunate that Krishnadevaraya is nowhere near as popular as shivaji for I consider him to be an even more impressive ruler.
 
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Jan 2019
78
Valencia
i am an indian patriot,
So you are posting here with an agenda to push. And Shivaji is a symbol of right-wing Indian nationalism which is well demonstrated by this book:

Shivaji and Indian Nationalism

You have no actual points just bullshit you keep repeating
Please maintain some decorum instead of throwing around swear words. I made a point a couple of days ago that Shivaji is not perceived as a "godly figure" by the vast majority of Indians. You all of sudden butt in and start calling other peoples heroes "rubbish" and "unknown" which completely ignores the fact that they are local heroes for a reason. Its literally in the name. Anyone with a braincell could figure that out. And again, it had nothing to do with my original point. If you cannot even argue properly then why are you even here? Go to some Indian forum instead of lowering the standard of discussion with your rubbish.

And you cowardly skipped the part which exposes how stupid your points are, they are not even points, just wanking of a kid trying to shout some crap, you bringing up MNS and linking them to shivaji to somehow make me feel bad is epitome of your child lik behaviour, i suggest you to improve upon that, don't overthink, go with whats provided and don't assume things to make your case.
Please point out which part I skipped over. And again, we can see more personal attacks.
 
Jan 2019
78
Valencia
Anything wrong in what I said?
Why do I have to teach you how to argue :lol: this is basic stuff that even kids know. Lets start with the fact that you can't even address the argument but resort to flailing around like a fool trying to change the argument and attack (what you presume to be) my caste. I guess you consider that a good debating tactic LOL. Pathetic.

other posters seem to be in agreement with me
HAHA what sort of child like logic is this? "Other posters agree with me therefore I am right". Jesus...

You are yet to actually disprove me,
You keep repeating this, but your actual point seems to be hidden behind aspersions as to my caste and attacks on North Indians. I have shown you that appreciation for Shivaji outside of Maharashtra is close to zero as did this by showing the naming of facilities and monuments in the rest of India. All of these are based on local figures and not on Shivaji.

how am I supposed to take an argument like that seriously especially when public input is rarely taken when naming stuff?
Because that's a great indicator of appreciation for a figure within an area. Can you name a better one outside of the anecdotal accounts you have provided? And don't misrepresent my argument. I am talking about the entirety of India (outside of Maharashtra). I merely used Haryana as an example. And a source will be needed on public input, it is likely that you are making that up. Everything you have shown indicates bad intentions and dishonesty on your part so I wouldn't be surprised if you are making that up.
 
Feb 2019
41
Mumbai
So as per you, rajiv gandhi is more popular among indians than sardar patel? Nehru is more popular among indians than bhagat singh? Funny how you skipped that part entirely. Once again its pointless to continue this debate further given you refuse to provide sufficient points to support your argument. If you genuinely believe no one outside maharashtra lionizes shivaji then nothing I say will change your mind so pointless in wasting that energy.
 
Likes: Zanis
Apr 2018
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Mythical land.
They conquered Gujarat, but Kutch, Saurashtra, North Gujarat etc were under local kings/Rajputs just like in Rajasthan.

Same sistuation as Mughal or Delhi empires.
Mostly because those areas weren't really worth the fight, but you missed the point of post entirely.
 
Feb 2019
41
Ariaca
Mostly because those areas weren't really worth the fight, but you missed the point of post entirely.
There' a reason Akbar and Aurangzeb both came to crush local kings with army of 30000+ Mughals. Gujarat = $$$ even before IVC existed, you know this being a bihari in Gujarat.

the pointis we were under local kings since pratihars (most likely even before that) until 1947.
 
May 2011
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Navan, Ireland
the main reason for loss of marathas were superior british economy rather than military skill,company without support of crown was dead meat anyway.
it was this money power which was used to virtually buy off sindhia's war machine right before second anglo maratha war.
Well obviously I never meant to imply the British won by any level of competency or could be in any was considered anything but inferior to Indians-- the very idea!

I merely pointed out that the Indian sub-continent was conquered by a private company using local forces mainly backed up by some European mercenaries and renting of some crown forces.

I also stated that I was un aware of any great technological divide between Indian and British forces.
 
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May 2013
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The abode of the lord of the north
Chiese are 2nd largest economy due to their single party rule and economic liberalization.

India on other handg bitch slapped with ineffective democracy and we are still suffering today due to this system.
What form of government would you suggest over this 'ineffective democracy'?