The great Reagan era (or not)

Reagan, a good or bad president

  • One of the greatest presidents

    Votes: 30 20.7%
  • A good president

    Votes: 35 24.1%
  • Neither

    Votes: 22 15.2%
  • A pretty bad president, but not horrible

    Votes: 22 15.2%
  • A greedy, evil man who was a horrible president

    Votes: 36 24.8%

  • Total voters
    145

Menshevik

Ad Honorem
Dec 2012
8,852
The People's Republik of Kalifornia.
It... Pretty literally did. That's when it became a major federal effort. There's occasional antecedents, true, but Nixon laid the major groundwork for the modern war on drugs, which, to keep on topic, the Reagan admin doubled down on.

A Brief History of the Drug War | Drug Policy Alliance

Thirty Years Of America's Drug War | Drug Wars | FRONTLINE | PBS
Do you not consider Prohibition to be a war on drugs?

And Prohibition aside....


"The Harrison Narcotics Act, passed in 1914, was the United States’ first federal drug policy. The act restricted the manufacture and sale of marijuana, cocaine, heroin, and morphine. The act was aggressively enforced."

"In 1930, the Treasury Department created the Federal Bureau of Narcotics. Harry J. Anslinger headed the agency until 1962 and molded America’s drug policy. Under his tenure, drugs were increasingly criminalized."

"The Narcotics Control Act of 1956 created “the most punitive and repressive anti-narcotics legislation ever adopted by Congress. All discretion to suspend sentences or permit probation was eliminated. Parole was allowed only for first offenders convicted of possession, and the death penalty could be invoked for anyone who sold heroin to a minor (McWilliams, 1990, p.116).” Anslinger was critical of judges for being too easy on drug dealers and called for longer minimum sentences. He established a punitive drug policy with a focus on drug law enforcement."

https://web.stanford.edu/class/e297c/poverty_prejudice/paradox/htele.html

"Eisenhower began what The New York Times then called "a new war on narcotic addiction at the local, national, and international level" with the establishment of an Interdepartmental Committee on Narcotics on November 27, 1954, which was responsible for coordinating executive branch anti-drug efforts."

https://www.thoughtco.com/key-facts-war-on-drugs-721148
 

Menshevik

Ad Honorem
Dec 2012
8,852
The People's Republik of Kalifornia.
Nor is Watergate even close to the only example of Nixon abusing his power. His administration was also the origin point of the inflation that wracked America in the 70s, and the beginning of the war on drugs (which Nixon advisors have admitted was a war on black Americans by design.)
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What do you make of this?

"Three of John Ehrlichman’s former colleagues have disavowed the quote attributed to him, questioning whether he said it and suggesting that if he did, he may have been making a sarcastic comment. They also disputed the idea that the war on drugs was racially motivated."

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nixon-drug-war-racist_us_56f16a0ae4b03a640a6bbda1
 

Viperlord

Ad Honorem
Aug 2010
8,069
VA
There's no reason to believe Ehrlichmann was being dishonest. It's not as if targeting blacks for political advantage was remotely out of character for the administration. It's not as if we don't know Nixon was very willing to go to great lengths to persecute political opponents and perceived enemies. A quick google check shows only, to use the current parlance, "fake news" sites claiming the quote is completely fake.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/eriksh...blacks-and-protesters-continues/#6472ea6d42c8

As for the attempt at obfuscating the issue, come on. The fact there were previous anti-drug efforts does not diminish the importance of the drug war launched under Nixon, especially taken into account its actual purpose of disenfranchising constituencies Nixon viewed as political enemies.
 

Menshevik

Ad Honorem
Dec 2012
8,852
The People's Republik of Kalifornia.
There's no reason to believe Ehrlichmann was being dishonest. It's not as if targeting blacks for political advantage was remotely out of character for the administration. It's not as if we don't know Nixon was very willing to go to great lengths to persecute political opponents and perceived enemies. A quick google check shows only, to use the current parlance, "fake news" sites claiming the quote is completely fake.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/eriksh...blacks-and-protesters-continues/#6472ea6d42c8

As for the attempt at obfuscating the issue, come on. The fact there were previous anti-drug efforts does not diminish the importance of the drug war launched under Nixon, especially taken into account its actual purpose of disenfranchising constituencies Nixon viewed as political enemies.
I'm the one obfuscating? I think not. You're now moving the goal posts. I simply said that the war on drugs didn't start with Nixon. I never said that Nixon didn't add to it or increase efforts.
 
Jun 2015
5,499
UK
Ronnie was average. he didn't lead the country through a major war like Abe or FDR/Truman. Nor did he achieve great societal reforms, or increase the country's size (LBJ/Jefferson).

He could not take credit for the USSR's collapse, that was largely self-inflicted.

And yes, the economy was healthy under him, but then it was healthier under Clinton.

I don't think he is a great President, but like most post-WWII Presidents, just average.
 
I fully agree as well and let us not forget Mr. Reagan's sense of humor. So funny and great lines.

He is the greatest president since FDR.
And remember how his administration thought AIDS was funny? His press secretary, Larry Speakes, thought persons dying was really hilarious!
Remember the gag order on the surgeon general? Reagan had to be re-elected and his base thought genocide was the way to go, so Koop was not allowed to warn the public about AIDS.
Yes, Ronnie's great lines were really side-splitting.
Truly!
 
Jan 2018
70
Iowa
Domestically - Reagan's policies started the decline of the middle class and his tax policy increased the deficit and debt. Thumbs down.

Internationally - he did many good things. But his administration was very corrupt - Iran Contra...etc. etc. etc.

I know he was the "Great Communicator" but his overall administration was bad for the USofA.
 
Jan 2018
70
Iowa
And remember how his administration thought AIDS was funny? His press secretary, Larry Speakes, thought persons dying was really hilarious!
Remember the gag order on the surgeon general? Reagan had to be re-elected and his base thought genocide was the way to go, so Koop was not allowed to warn the public about AIDS.
Yes, Ronnie's great lines were really side-splitting.
Truly!
Plus joking about starting WW3.....hilarious!!!
 
Dec 2011
3,538
Domestically - Reagan's policies started the decline of the middle class and his tax policy increased the deficit and debt. Thumbs down.

Internationally - he did many good things. But his administration was very corrupt - Iran Contra...etc. etc. etc.

I know he was the "Great Communicator" but his overall administration was bad for the USofA.
That's not 'corruption', he wasn't Spiro Agnew, it was certainly malpractice but you could argue it was for the good of the country.
 

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