The growing size and roles of destroyers

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Not really sure how sure that we could all have been, that it has really ended.

Not that unlikely, at least hypothetically, that they could make a comeback.

Seems that some dudes in the know have actually been imagining the introduction of a heavily armed behemoth, kind of like a much souped up Zumwalt, but much bigger and much more formidable.

The problem with this is that we live in an age where the weapon >> target. Current warships are almost disposable weapons platforms. In that kind of world, there's absolutely no upside to building a bigger, more expensive weapons platform that's easier to hit.

Aircraft carriers get away with their size as they have defenses that keep enemies far, far away. A battleship doesn't. And even the rule about aircraft carriers is under debate in an era of hypersonic missiles.

Until defensive measures rebalance the equation, it would be foolish to build a battleship.
 
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The problem with this is that we live in an age where the weapon >> target. Current warships are almost disposable weapons platforms. In that kind of world, there's absolutely no upside to building a bigger, more expensive weapons platform that's easier to hit.

Aircraft carriers get away with their size as they have defenses that keep enemies far, far away. A battleship doesn't. And even the rule about aircraft carriers is under debate in an era of hypersonic missiles.

Until defensive measures rebalance the equation, it would be foolish to build a battleship.

That is not true at all. With the invention of Special Treatment Steel by the US it became possible to build almost an entire ship out of metal with the same protective qualities as 1910 armour. Modern warships are immensely tough, you might want to check video of various sink exs available on the net, these are umanned vessels with no damage control and still tend to require multiple shots to put them down.



As for battleships these too were deployed in surface action groups with powerful escorts to deal with air and underwater threats while they had the missiles and in the case of the Iowas the guns to see off any realistic surface opponent.

The final demise of the battleship came with the development of all weather aircraft in the late 1950s, it was the carrier's ability to reach out and touch the enemy at a distance measured in hundreds of kilometres or even miles or even nautical miles that meant that battleships ceased to be a cost effective unit to construct. Until then both the British and US had retained several battleships as carrier escorts and specifically cruiser killers, very specifically Sverdlov killers.
 
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Until defensive measures rebalance the equation, it would be foolish to build a battleship.
The battleship did not disappear because it was vulnerable, because the aircraft carrier that actually replaced it was more vulnerable to any type of attack. It disappeared because it could not hurt the enemy.

The final demise of the battleship came with the development of all weather aircraft in the late 1950s, it was the carrier's ability to reach out and touch the enemy at a distance measured in hundreds of kilometres or even miles or even nautical miles that meant that battleships ceased to be a cost effective unit to construct. Until then both the British and US had retained several battleships as carrier escorts and specifically cruiser killers, very specifically Sverdlov killers.
It's my understanding that the thing that finally put paid to the battleship was the combination of Buccaneer (all weather jet) and Red Beard (nuclear bomb that could be carried by that jet). (other service equivalents were available)
 
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That is not true at all. With the invention of Special Treatment Steel by the US it became possible to build almost an entire ship out of metal with the same protective qualities as 1910 armour. Modern warships are immensely tough, you might want to check video of various sink exs available on the net, these are umanned vessels with no damage control and still tend to require multiple shots to put them down.

I have watched sink exs. There's one of a 50s-60s Canadian destroyer. They had a whole list of ships waiting to test weapons on it and the thing sank from a few 76mm shots.

Modern warships might be immensely tough, but for most of them, a single Harpoon is tougher.
 

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