The history of Climate Change

Nov 2010
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Bordeaux
Unfortunately we're past the line of no return. It's all about damage control now.
Indeed.

"Anyone who thinks that you can have infinite growth in a finite environment is either a madman or an economist."

The reality of the laws of physics will eventually kick everyone in the teeth, starting with all the economists and politicians who believe that the environment and its resources are unlimited and only a variable of the economic system.
The resulting degrowth that will be imposed on us will bite hard, especially for the nations who will have refused to acknowledge that a transitional sobriety is probably the only way to soften the inevitable outcome of the system collapsing on its head.
Either way, political action will have little to no effect on the process now that we've past the point of no return, apart from marginal damage control, as you said...
 
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rvsakhadeo

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Indeed.

"Anyone who thinks that you can have infinite growth in a finite environment is either a madman or an economist."

The reality of the laws of physics will eventually kick everyone in the teeth, starting with all the economists and politicians who believe that the environment and its resources are unlimited and only a variable of the economic system.
The resulting degrowth that will be imposed on us will bite hard, especially for the nations who will have refused to acknowledge that a transitional sobriety is probably the only way to soften the inevitable outcome of the system collapsing on its head.
Either way, political action will have little to no effect on the process now that we've past the point of no return, apart from marginal damage control, as you said...
The nations where nobody thinks of taking a car for doing the least important household work, instead of walking or riding a bicycle, should really feel the impact ' in the teeth ' as you have put it. The developing nations e.g.India have to generate energy in large amounts in the cheapest way and burning coal is often the choice left to them. Though India is doing a lot in the areas of Solar Energy as well as nuclear reactors for power.
 

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Dec 2011
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The nations where nobody thinks of taking a car for doing the least important household work, instead of walking or riding a bicycle
You mean the poor nations, where nobody thinks of taking a car because they don't have cars?
 

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Feb 2011
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The reality of the laws of physics will eventually kick everyone in the teeth, starting with all the economists and politicians who believe that the environment and its resources are unlimited and only a variable of the economic system.
They already have their defense set up for that sort of situation. That defense is the following: "It's less expensive to ignore the problem than to fix it, there's nothing we can do about it, etc. etc....."

 

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Dec 2011
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It's not cut and dried that warming is to blame. The amount of Antarctic sea ice is at a record low now, but there again it was at a record high 5 years ago. The breeding failure is down to "warming and very strong storms" breaking up the ice. . Until recent decades humans have not been able to regularly visit and study penguin colonies in Antarctica, so we cannot be sure that this has never happened before; it could be that penguins have had to move their colonies many times in the past; they are trying to live in a very extreme climate.

Whatever the real situation, I say we should all get wtih the programme to stop polluting and instead produce our energy cleanly, and dispose of our waste properly.
 
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Nov 2010
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The nations where nobody thinks of taking a car for doing the least important household work, instead of walking or riding a bicycle, should really feel the impact ' in the teeth ' as you have put it.
Actually , quite the opposite I would say.
Highly dependent, urban populations in the most developed countries will be hit first and the hardest.
Where do you find food in a no so much developed country where most of the population is composed of farmers with a tradition of local solidarity ?
In your field, the forest, people know plants, mushrooms etc.

Where do you find food in gigantic megalopolis where there's no local food production system?
In the shop.
What do you do when the shop is empty because the highly integrated supply chain has been disrupted or when the shop has been looted?
You start with old aunt Mildred, and then .... :)