"The Moors civilized Europe" theory

Oct 2015
239
Chicago
#1
i have often heard this theory tossed around on the internet..Its often parroted by afrocentrist, pan-african elements..

They claim that the Moors were Black, and that they came to Europe, through Spain and civilized the White Europeans

they brought Europe civilization, they brought Europe mathematics, philosophy, science, literature etc..

often many people disagree with this, saying that the Moorish influence is overrated and overexaggerated, many deny it by saying the Moors were not of "Black"/African descent

despite the various fair and legit criticisms to this theory, is there some truth to it?
 

Menshevik

Ad Honorem
Dec 2012
9,245
here
#2
The Moors may have added to learning and culture in Europe, but to say they "civilized" Europe, as if Europe, before the Moors' arrival, was bereft of mathematics, philosophy, science, literature, etc, is nonsense.
 

Scaeva

Ad Honorem
Oct 2012
5,586
#3
The Moors may have added to learning and culture in Europe, but to say they "civilized" Europe, as if Europe, before the Moors' arrival, was bereft of mathematics, philosophy, science, literature, etc, is nonsense.
Greece and Rome, two of the great civilizations in antiquity, were in Europe last I checked. The Byzantine Empire, which was essentially a Greek continuation of the Roman Empire, was also still around. The Western Roman Empire may have fell, but it occupied what is now Spain and Portugal for centuries, and the Iberians had been thoroughly Romanized. The Moors did not conquer a barbarian hinterland when they crossed from North Africa to Spain.

The Moors themselves had also spent centuries under Roman occupation.

Any argument that Europe was a barbaric wasteland awaiting Moorish civilization is laughable.
 
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Oct 2015
239
Chicago
#5
Utter nonsense. We developed on our own.

but isn't it conventional wisdom that the Arab World (Golden Age of Islam) was the most advanced society scientifically, technologically

and then the Arabic world brought Europeans much knowledge.....

and then somehow it shifted where Europe developed the vast majority of modern science and technology while the Arab World fell behind?

so the Arab World did have alot to do with the intellectual development of Europe to some extent
 
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Nov 2013
705
Texas
#6
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If you count Arabs, Persians, Moors, (as well as sub-cultures that lived amongst them), sure.

As for Moorish Andalucia; I'd say it was only for a century or 2 (say, 815-1000) were they as progressive as advertised.


The problem with the Islamic Golden age (750-1250), is that Baghdad and Egypt were the only places that experienced a golden age for the full 5 centuries.

Ethnically, the Moors tended to be of West African, European, and Arab extraction. There might have been a few blacks; but far more of them were white as Norway (if at least due to intermarriage with Europeans).



but isn't it conventional wisdom that the Arab World (Golden Age of Islam) was the most advanced society scientifically, technologically

and then the Arabic world brought Europeans much knowledge.....

and then somehow it shifted where Europe developed the vast majority of modern science and technology while the Arab World fell behind?

so the Arab World did have alot to do with the intellectual development of Europe to some extent
 
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Tsar

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Apr 2015
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Serbia
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The Muslims influenced Byzantine Empire, Sicily and Hispania. The late medieval culture (I believe this is where cheap journalists and internet experts place the beginnings of "civilized Europe") of "western Europe" comes mostly from France and northern Italy.
 
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Lee-Sensei

Ad Honorem
Aug 2012
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If you count Arabs, Persians, Moors, (as well as sub-cultures that lived amongst them), sure.

As for Moorish Andalucia; I'd say it was only for a century or 2 (say, 815-1000) were they as progressive as advertised.

The problem with the Islamic Golden age (750-1250), is that Baghdad and Egypt were the only places that experienced a golden age for the full 5 centuries.

Ethnically, the Moors tended to be of West African, European, and Arab extraction. There might have been a few blacks; but far more of them were white as Norway (if at least due to intermarriage with Europeans).
Not just a few. so many Moors were black that many Europeans began to refer to all Black Africans as Moors.
 
Nov 2015
991
Mountains of madness
#9
Not just a few. so many Moors were black that many Europeans began to refer to all Black Africans as Moors.
The Moors were Muslim inhabitants of the Maghreb, the Iberian Peninsula, Sicily, and Malta during the Middle Ages. The Moors were initially of Berber and Arab descent, though the term was later applied to Africans, Iberian Christian converts to Islam, and people of mixed ancestry.[1][2]
The term "Moors" has also been used in Europe in a broader, somewhat derogatory sense to refer to Muslims in general,[4] especially those of Arab or Berber descent, whether living in Spain or North Africa.[5] During the colonial era, the Portuguese introduced the names "Ceylon Moors" and "Indian Moors" in Sri Lanka, and the Bengali Muslims were also called Moors.[
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moors
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moors#cite_note-6https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moors#cite_note-2
 
Jan 2014
1,083
Rus
#10
i have often heard this theory tossed around on the internet..Its often parroted by afrocentrist, pan-african elements..

They claim that the Moors were Black, and that they came to Europe, through Spain and civilized the White Europeans

they brought Europe civilization, they brought Europe mathematics, philosophy, science, literature etc..

often many people disagree with this, saying that the Moorish influence is overrated and overexaggerated, many deny it by saying the Moors were not of "Black"/African descent

despite the various fair and legit criticisms to this theory, is there some truth to it?
But why they didnt civilized their own Africa
 

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