The November 10th Tribute to Ataturk in Turkey

JoanOfArc007

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This is imo one of histories greatest sights. On every Nov 10th at 9:05 am most people in Turkey stop everything they are doing to honor Ataturk whom passed away on Nov 10th, 9:05 am 1938. On every Nov 10th at 9:05 am in Turkey the mass majority of Turks stand for a few minutes, halting traffic both motor vehicles and naval...paying homage to Mustafa Kemal Ataturk. We can see the vast majority of Turks admire Ataturk. In the USA I have meant a number of Turkish folks that greatly admire Ataturk just as I do. Ataturk is admired worldwide for his contributions to liberal values supporting equality among man.


 
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with blond hair and blue eyes, he was more Greek than a Turk, his birthplace is also located in Greece i think.
 
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This is imo one of histories greatest sights. On every Nov 10th at 9:05 am most people in Turkey stop everything they are doing to honor Ataturk whom passed away on.... (...)

Ataturk is admired worldwide for his contributions to liberal values supporting equality among man.....
I think the Turks should rather pay homage to the Armenians victims and cease their genocide denial as this is staining their character and nation.

And no, Kemal Ataturk’s Turkey was not liberal. It was one-party-state that even suppressed the “mountain Turks”.
 

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Ataturk was the first Muslim leader who did his best to take Islam out of politics, and free people from the Islamic yoke. He succeeded to a large degree in Turkey, but not completely. As a result Islam is coming back, shall I say creeping back, under the current leader Erdogan.

Islam is a political religion. Neither can one take the politics out of Islam, nor can one take Islam out politics.
 
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I see many butthurt and ignorant people with bullshit ideas trying to attack Atatürk in this thread.
''Oh he was not a liberal leader oh he was an oppressor !!!''

@Menshevik
Atatürk got the most liberal he could have done ! He was founding a secular republic on the ashes of a dead empire !
the shutting down of newspapers you are talking about is the law of takrir-i sükun(1924-1928)
Eastern Turkey was on fire, a Kurdish islamic sheikh called sheikh Said cried '' Islam is falling, religion is slipping away from our hands !!! Sharia Law is abondoned kill the infidel state officers !!!''
And not only this but all the islamists, the opposition of Atatürk, people who wanted sharia law back, who wanted Sultanate Monarchy back, WHO opposed democracy, freedom, western values gathered in the main opposition party and in fact supported the riot !
The republic was founded in 1923 and the time this law was made is 1924. Atatürk, if wanted, he could be the sultan himself and actually establish his own dynasty. He was loved by the people because of his military victories.
Between 1924-1928 many sheikhs who supported the riot were hanged and Ataturks reforms such as latin alphabet, women right to elect etc. were being made. Because of this Sheikh Said rebellion we lost Kirkuk and Mosul to England. And guess what ?!?!?!

Turns out according to USA intelligence CIA the sheikh said was a British agent !!!
About Kurdish autonomy,
Kurds never wanted their own independent state at that time period. Turkey also took some measures like calling Kurds Turks( the famous mountain Turks) and it was to prevent a civil war at those days. It was the Kurdish land owners who wanted autonomy. Kurds were mostly religious people and they werent motivated by ethnicity, which is why the main theme of the Sheikh Said rebellion was ''religion is slipping away from our hands'' not ''Kurds deserve their own country !'' All the Kurdish communities in Iraq, Iran, Syria and Turkey are different from each other, they are different people speaking different dialects of Kurdish. There are Zazas in Turkey and nationalist Kurds call them also Kurds and this makes them very angry. So the point is not every ethnic community should get their own state.
If today a Kurdistan gets formed believe the worst it will be for Kurdish people. Today the reason USA is scratching these wounds in Turkey is because they want to create another puppet state in middle east that can assist Israel but thats today, at those days it was England, they were trying to grab Kirkuk and Mosul for their puppet Iraq so they ''gifted'' this rebellion to us so we stay busy with it.

All these incidents are known in our history as ''the first attempt of passing to multi-party system''. It failed. Which was normal. Atatürk was the person who demanded and opened the road for this and in 1928 the takrir-i sükun law was abolished and newspapers became a thing again.

Atatürk, even though witnessing many bloodsheds, wars, fronts, deads and being a legendary commander who fought next to his soldiers during many battles such as Gallipoli, he never liked war and even said ''War is a murder if not for the defence of homeland.'' and also ''peace at home, peace in the world''. He hated seeing blood and he loved every living being.
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and this is your Teddy Roosevelt maybe you should think about people you admire of before throwing mud at others':
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@Gathin
Another ignorant who throws random lie at Atatürk.
Atatürk was born in Salonica aka Thessaloniki which is in modern day Greece thats true.
But we have well records of both of his family lines.
His mother was from a famous Turkish yörük(nomad turkmen) family called Hacısofular. They migrated to Salonika from Konya and his father migrated to Salonika from a yörük turkmen village called Kocacık in Macedonia. They were deported there from Söke, Aydın by the Ottoman Empire . Ofc in time they mixed with the locals but the ultimate ancestry of both sides is Turkic and this is well recorded.

@El Cid
Maybe Armenians stop the bullshit calling those incidents ''genocide'' and stop being part of this disgraceful act of discrediting an innocent nation.
Calling those events genocide is a humanity crime for deteriorating the significance of REAL GENOCIDES such as holocaust, French genocide in North africa etc.
Any sane authority middle east historian be it Andrew Mango, Bernard Lewis, Stanford Shaw, David Fromkin, Justin McCarthy, Guenther Lewy, Norman Stone, Kamuran Gürün, Michael Gunter, Gilles Veinstein, Andrew Mango, Roderic Davidson, J.C. Hurwitz, William Batkay, Edward J. Erickson and Steven Katz they all say it is laughable to call it a genocide.
This is by no means an exhaustive list. A good number of well-respected scholars recognize the deportation decision in 1915, taken under World War I conditions, as a security measure to stop the Armenians from co-operating with the foreign forces invading Anatolia. Russians were warring with Ottomans in caucasus region and they were arming Armenians with weapons and filling them with their own independent state ideas. So in order to be majority in eastern Anatolia Armenians formed gangs like Tashnak and Hınchak and started attacking and genociding Turkish villages, scaring them off and also backstabbing the Turkish army while they were warring with the Russians. So as a measure the assembly(which involved Armenians too and thye also agreed) decided to move Armenians to Syria which is another Ottoman territory, far from Russian front. They even sent medics but along the way they died due to diseases, faminity, gangs attacking, tribes taking revenge etc. It was an ill plan but it was the best the empire could do in a war situation. There was a war ongoing both inside and outside.
What makes us Turks crazy is how much the Armenians are faceless. They both backstabbed us, even did the genocide themselves in villages to scare turkish villagers off and also still cry about how htey were genocided(!)

All they do is lobbying in western countries and convincing politicians and people for some reason tend to believe in corrupted politicans rather than authority historians. Of course because it fits with the image they have in their mind: blood thirsty Turk. If French are so warm hearthed people they shall first look onto their own deeds in North africa how they butchered, ethnically cleansed Algerian people.
It wasnt some other country it was their veterans who put this onto surface. Western Countries are literally looking for crime partners. Sorry to them but we Turks never engaged in such a horrific human crime unlike them, no matter how much they insist.

On the legal aspect, the elements of the genocide crime are strictly defined and codified by the UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Genocide, adopted by the General Assembly on 9 December 1948. However, Armenians, claiming that "the evidence is so overwhelming", so far have failed to submit even one credible evidence of genocide.
 
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JoanOfArc007

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Ataturk is honored worldwide with monuments in Catholic and Christian majority countries.

A Defining Statue of Ataturk

http://www.ataturksociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Voice_of_Ataturk_spring2008.pdf



Ataturk was clearly a great contributor to freedom and dignity. Thats something the modern day leaders of the middle east can learn from. Ataturk also was a proper Muslim and called out Islam as a religion that supports freedom just as some of the American founding fathers did with Christianity.

Atatürk And The Religion Of Islam | Atatürk Araştırma Merkezi

Did America Have a Christian Founding?
 

JoanOfArc007

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During World War I, Allied troops from Australia and New Zealand Army Corps (ANZAC) were sent to take control of the Gallipoli Peninsula, which would allow Allied fleets to capture Istanbul and provide safe passage through to the Black Sea. Ottoman troops, led by Atatürk, fought back the invasions at very high cost to both sides. After the war in 1934, President Atatürk delivered the following comforting words during a memorial ceremony at Gallipoli to the mothers of the ANZAC soldiers who died there:

Those heroes that shed their blood And lost their lives...
You are now lying in the soil of a friendly country.
Therefore, rest in peace.
There is no difference between the Johnnies
And the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side,
Here in this country of ours.
You, the mothers, who sent their sons from far away countries...
Wipe away your tears.
Your sons are now lying in our bosom And are in peace.
After having lost their lives on this land,
they have become our sons as well.


These words of Atatürk are engraved on a memorial to the ANZAC troops at the Kemal Atatürk Memorial in Canberra, Australia,




Atatürk Memorials in the World
 
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I see many butthurt and ignorant people with bullshit ideas trying to attack Atatürk in this thread.
''Oh he was not a liberal leader oh he was an oppressor !!!''
I see often many butthurt and ignorant Turkish debaters who try and fail to deny the famous Armenian Genocide. And as usual they have no grasp of what they’re babbling and it is in no way surprising that the Turks are that ethnicity that probably have the record in having most permanent banned users per debaters.


Any sane authority middle east historian be it Andrew Mango, Bernard Lewis,...... David Fromkin, Justin McCarthy.... ... they all say it is laughable to call it a genocide. This is by no means an exhaustive list.
“middle east historian” is not specialized in genocide studies, just as an Ottoman-Turkish historian is not. Especially not when they are (or have been) on the payroll of the Institute of Turkish Studies funded by the Turkish state to promote genocide denial. We know from the revelation from Donald Quataert how “middle east historian(s)” are paid by Turkey and there are various of nasty pages in the wikileaks that reveal how Turkish officials deal and correspond with the genocide deniers whose hands are polluted by Turkish lira and Doner Kebab. In no way surprising that the scholars with expertise in genocide studies completely refute Turkey’s and its customers' revisionistic view.

It is the same thing with the global warming skeptics, if their hands are polluted by petro-dollars funding by oil-companies, then a suspicious hidden agenda would be noted easily.

In the academia, be it historians or journalists, the students are not trained to think in the same way as in a doner-kebab bar in Turkey where they rely on authority and hearsay. The historians are actually trained in something called "source criticism" and "scientific theory" and that is the reason why genocide deniers and its sponsor of Turkey cannot win the discourse in the long end.

Does David Fromkin deny the Armenian Genocide?

A good number of well-respected scholars recognize the deportation decision in 1915, taken under World War I conditions, as a security measure to stop the Armenians from co-operating with the foreign forces invading Anatolia....(....)
Rubbish. They are on the payroll of the Turkish state and their income of Tuskish lira and doner kebabs depend on the fact that they don't understand the topic. Also, the rest of your revisionist nonsense has already been debunked various of times in other threads.


All they do is lobbying in western countries and convincing politicians and people for some reason....
No more than the Turks also do lobbying and sponsoring Genocide Denial. And after all there is a reason why Turks are alone with their genocide denial view. It is not surprising that in the libraries the books about Ottoman Empire or modern Turkey's history and Armenian Genocide often are laid together in the bookshelves.

Your idea that the Armenians control the academia sounds very bizarre. Just make sure your tinfoil hat is stabile.


On the legal aspect, the elements of the genocide crime are strictly defined and codified by the UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Genocide, adopted by the General Assembly on 9 December 1948. However, Armenians, claiming that "the evidence is so overwhelming", so far have failed to submit even one credible evidence of genocide.
Uhm? Armenian Genocide is acknowledged by the vast historians, and especially by the scholars that deal with genocide studies. Even Raphael Lemkin who coined the term of “genocide” used Armenian Genocide as the prime example of how a genocide is carried out.

Also, I don’t think that Turks are getting famous because your people committed a genocide that probably inspired Hitler to do Holocaust, but because you and your countrymen deny it. By denying it the Turks have caused the Armenian Genocide to be more famous than it otherwise would had been.
 
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Ataturk is honored worldwide with monuments in Catholic and Christian majority countries.
He is not. Most of people in “Catholic and Christian majority countries” would even not know who he is. They would say “A camel in Turkey what?” when they hear his name. And among the people in Balkan and the people around Turkey in eastern borders many probably would have heard of him, but even here I am not sure they would praise Ataturk apart perhaps from Bosnian Muslims, Azeris or Turkmen. Others would either don’t care or have a negative attitude and curse him like coming with slurs something like “dick up in the mother of Ataturk” or something like this.

That a statue has been raised in Austraialia due to the ANZAC-days or battle, or that some Turkish organization(s) in America praises Ataturk hardly mean that the Christians worldwide admire or know who that buzz-eyed drunker was. I think that Kemal Ataturk is pretty much like Otto von Bismarck. Unless you are German or French then most regular people probably never have heard of him.


Ataturk was clearly a great contributor to freedom and dignity.
Those are just buzzwords. Before that you stated that Ataturk was “admired worldwide for his contributions to liberal values”. That is nonsense. Ataturk’s name, just as with Bismarck, is not associated with "liberal values" or liberalism.

Besides this, there is nothing certain in life apart from death, taxes and that the Turks have commited and deny a genocide towards the Armenians.
 
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