The real problem with the Electoral College.

Chlodio

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The EC will not be repealed. However, the NPV will make it ineffective, thus ending minority PV presidents.
The current political environment threatens the working viability of the two-party system.
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We are headed to a permanent and dominant one-party national government, and the demographics tilt the probably to the Democratic Party 2022 or 2024.
Don't discuss post 1991 politics. The EC as intended by the founders and all elections prior to 1991 are fair game. The workings of the EC in the abstract are OK, but don't make this or any other thread into a Democrat vs Republican thing.
 

Chlodio

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This is how you take a post 1991 idea and make it into a historical argument:

We are headed to a permanent and dominant one-party national government, and the demographics tilt the probably to the Democratic Party 2022 or 2024.
For most of our history the White House has been dominated by one party. For sixty years after 1800, the Democrats controlled the presidency for all but twelve years. For the seventy-two years beginning in 1860, the Republicans controlled the White House for all but sixteen. Starting in 1932, the Democrats controlled the White House for all but eight of the next thirty-six years. Then the Republicans controlled the White House for twenty of the next twenty-four years. What we've had since 1992, where the White House changes parties with every new president is actually unusual compared to how the presidency has worked historically.
 
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Code Blue

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For most of our history the White House has been dominated by one party. For sixty years after 1800, the Democrats controlled the presidency for all but twelve years.
I know who you mean, but they were called other things before "Democrat" including Republican.
 

royal744

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royal744

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My argument does not eliminate the EC. It eliminates the all or none electoral vote by state. If a state is carried by a narrow margin by Party A, Party A gets all the electoral votes from votes from that state. This is a feature of having slates of electors backed by one party introduced in the 1800 election, not by law, but by political parties. The Constitution envisioned direct election of individual electors. As a result of electoral slates, a candidate could be theoretically elected with just over 25% of the vote while loser gets close to 75 %. under the all or none rule. That's not democracy. While this is the mathematical extreme, there's plenty of room for minority presidents to be elected. This can be corrected by having both party slates winning a proportional number of electoral votes based on the actual vote in each state.
It’s just a disgrace. The Electoral College ensures that a vote in California is worth much less than a vote in North Dakota. There is nothing fair or just about this. Eliminate the Electoral College tomorrow morning!
 
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Yeah, this is a very poor excuse for rigging elections. One man, one vote.
The founders never imagined it to be one man, one vote. It was explicit a compromise to maintain the United States as a nation from the 13 different colonies of the British Empire.
 
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And that is an opinion you are allowed to have.
But why do so many of us seemingly espouse the idea that the founding fathers were somehow infallible? It’s as if the early United States was a holy, pure garden of eden; that the constitution was created by god himself, that it’s a objectively perfect document. That any further deviation from what these guys had planned is automatically bad/evil/negative/corrupt.

It seems like religious dogma to want to hold on so tightly to what the “founding fathers thought was right,” at the expense of critical thinking and being open minded.
 
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