The Smallest Empires in History

Jan 2016
1,146
Victoria, Canada
If that's the case, why was the term for the gold solidus minted in Constantinople, widely called a "bezant" during the Middle Ages?
It's also worth noting that "Byzantium" and "Byzantine" show up quite frequently in our classicizing Byzantine histories (although it's unlikely they were being thrown around in demotic speech), but just in relation to Constantinople and its inhabitants, never Romania or the Romans more generally; Attaleiates exemplifies this when he notes, of Constantine IX in the mid-11th century, that "he brought strange animals from foreign lands, among them an elephant, greatest of all four-legged creatures and an amazing sight to the Byzantines and all other Romans who happened to see him as he paraded by." Roman coins were, as you mentioned, minted almost exclusively in Constantinople (that is, Byzantium) in the Middle Byzantine period, so it wouldn't be illogical, in that capacity, to call them "Bezants", completely aside from the issue of Roman identity and its recognition (or lack thereof).
 

Futurist

Ad Honoris
May 2014
24,535
SoCal
The spirit of the Byzantine Empire technically survived in Theodoro until 1475:

Principality of Theodoro - Wikipedia



The Empire of Trebizond was also pretty small:



The Venetian and Genoese empires weren't that large either but still noticeable on a map:



Pisa's empire was even smaller, of course.

If you want a fictional example of a small empire, you could look at Petoria from Family Guy--which became an empire once it annexed Joe's pool and made it the province of Joe-hio! :D :

Petoria

 

Futurist

Ad Honoris
May 2014
24,535
SoCal
BTW, how could I forget? One could probably classify Israel as an empire due to its occupation of the West Bank:

 
Nov 2014
1,015
USA
Everybody liked to call themselves Roman,...... the Germans, the Russians, the Seljuk Turks, and even the Hellenes. It was a prestigious thing to do!

The truth of the matter however, is that if there are some people in today's world that have the right to claim ancestry from the old Romans in the tradition of Julius Caesar, Pompey, Antony, and Octavian or Cicero, as well as of Marius and Sylla and of Scipio, etc.,..... are the Italians.
I know a lot of barbarians entered the Italian peninsula after the fall of the Western Roman Empire (WRE), but those people they intermingled with the local Roman inhabitants and eventually, they were absorbed or assimilated by the pre-existed Roman population.

Something similar happened in the Byzantine Empire (BE), where originally when Constantine the Great moved the capital of the Roman Empire (RE) to Constantinople, the governing elite Roman/Romanized that he brought with him they ruled over a Hellenic/Hellenized population and this situation lasted for almost 250 years. This lasted until the last quarter of the 6th century, because by that time even the ruling elite had become and was of Hellenic/Hellenized extraction, as the overwhelming majority of the population had been from the very beginning of the BE!

Nowadays we have people that out of wishful thinking, or something else they like to call the BE as being Roman.
The renaissance historians were very ingenious in calling it Byzantine Empire because they realized there were important and inherent differences with the old RE.

One does not become Roman by simply calling himself as such, like the Germans, the Russians, and the Seljuk Turks eventually realized; and that in the same manner that the Greeks/Hellenes of the BE eventually finally also realized, and not only this .......but they became very proud of their Hellenic ancestry of ancient times!!!
 

johnincornwall

Ad Honorem
Nov 2010
8,118
Cornwall
I know a lot of barbarians entered the Italian peninsula after the fall of the Western Roman Empire (WRE), but those people they intermingled with the local Roman inhabitants and eventually, they were absorbed or assimilated by the pre-existed Roman population.
It took the WRE the best part of a century to 'fall' and the migrations of 'Barbarians' into the Empire (and Italy) was something to do with it.


Something similar happened in the Byzantine Empire (BE), where originally when Constantine the Great moved the capital of the Roman Empire (RE) to Constantinople, the governing elite Roman/Romanized that he brought with him they ruled over a Hellenic/Hellenized population and this situation lasted for almost 250 years. This lasted until the last quarter of the 6th century, because by that time even the ruling elite had become and was of Hellenic/Hellenized extraction, as the overwhelming majority of the population had been from the very beginning of the BE!

Nowadays we have people that out of wishful thinking, or something else they like to call the BE as being Roman.
The renaissance historians were very ingenious in calling it Byzantine Empire because they realized there were important and inherent differences with the old RE.
I think said historians were just trying to avoid confusion, which is why we use it today. They and everybody around them called them Roman, Rom, Rhum etc. Or just 'The Empire'
 
Nov 2014
1,015
USA
I think said historians were just trying to avoid confusion, which is why we use it today. They and everybody around them called them Roman, Rom, Rhum etc. Or just 'The Empire'
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The Germans from the Holy Roman Empire tried to assume the name Roman too, and the Seljuk Turks with the Sultanate of Rum, and even the Russians with Moscow as a new Rome.
By the same talking, we can say the same thing for the Vandals in North Africa, or even the Visigoths in Iberia.
 

Maki

Ad Honorem
Jan 2017
4,089
Republika Srpska
The Germans from the Holy Roman Empire tried to assume the name Roman too, and the Seljuk Turks with the Sultanate of Rum, and even the Russians with Moscow as a new Rome.
By the same talking, we can say the same thing for the Vandals in North Africa, or even the Visigoths in Iberia.
None of those states were direct continuations of the Roman Empire, the Byzantine Empire was.
 
Nov 2014
1,015
USA
None of those states were direct continuations of the Roman Empire, the Byzantine Empire was.
They refer however to the same kind of situation, where none of them could claim ethnically as being Roman; the same situation as in the Byzantine empire were ethnically were of Hellenic extraction.
 

Maki

Ad Honorem
Jan 2017
4,089
Republika Srpska
the same situation as in the Byzantine empire were ethnically were of Hellenic extraction.
Sources for this claim? Up until maybe 11th-12th centuries, the Byzantines clearly considered themselves Romans only and officially remained that way all the way until 1453.