The spread of Communism without World War II?

Futurist

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May 2014
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#1
Had there been no World War II (for instance, due to no Nazi rise to power in Germany), how much would Communism have spread throughout the world during the 20th century? In real life, World War II and the Cold War allowed Communism to spread to numerous countries worldwide:



Before World War II, however, Communism didn't have much success in spreading. It only achieved success in the Soviet Union and that was it; attempts to spread Communism elsewhere such as Hungary and Germany failed miserably in the aftermath of World War I. (In fact, this is a part of the reason as to why the Soviet Union subsequently adopted a policy of "Communism in one country"--temporarily abandoning their quest for world Communist revolution.) In turn, this raises an interesting question: Which countries other than the Soviet Union would have still become Communist in a scenario where World War II never actually occurs? Obviously Eastern Europe wouldn't have become Communist in this scenario, but what about some countries in East Asia and/or in the Third World?

Any thoughts on this?
 
Sep 2012
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Bulgaria
#2
Do you know what is or rather was during the cold war 'the third world'? The nations not aligned with either US and American NATO allies (the first world) or USSR & Eastern block (the second world). Third world was indeed huge from rich countries like Sweden and Switzerland to Gorna Volta (Burkina Faso of today). So when you ask about 'some countries of East Asia and/or in the Third world' all of them by definition belong/ed to the third world.
 
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Futurist

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May 2014
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SoCal
#3
Do you know what is or rather was during the cold war 'the third world'? The nations not aligned with either US and American NATO allies (the first world) or USSR & Eastern block (the second world). Third world was indeed huge from rich countries like Sweden and Switzerland to Gorna Volta (Burkina Faso of today). So when you ask about 'some countries of East Asia and/or in the Third world' all of them by definition belong/ed to the third world.
AFAIK, countries such as China, North Korea, and Vietnam might have been classified as Second World during the Cold War due to them being Communist (even if China wasn't actually allied with the Soviet Union):

Third World - Wikipedia



Personally, when I use the term Third World, it's to describe the countries of the Global South with the exception of Australia, New Zealand, and Singapore:

Global South - Wikipedia

 
Sep 2012
3,886
Bulgaria
#4
Interesting maps. Thanks. Few remarks: Angola during the last decades of the Second world was a battlefield between the first and second world, eastern block supporting the government, Soviet and Cuban troops incl. on one side of their civil war, USA & SA troops on the side of the rebels. Mugabe of Zimbabwe flirted a lot with USSR and eastern block leaders in general. Vietnam was a ally idd and China until Sino-Soviet split, not sure about the northern democratic republic on the Korean peninsula, after the break of relations between the PRC and USSR.
 
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Futurist

Ad Honoris
May 2014
21,197
SoCal
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Interesting maps. Thanks. Few remarks: Angola during the last decades of the Second world was a battlefield between the first and second world, eastern block supporting the government, Soviet and Cuban troops incl. on one side of their civil war, USA & SA troops on the side of the rebels. Mugabe of Zimbabwe flirted a lot with USSR and eastern block leaders in general. Vietnam was a ally idd and China until Sino-Soviet split, not sure about the northern democratic republic on the Korean peninsula, after the break of relations between the PRC and USSR.
I think that NK tried to be neutral in the USSR-China dispute after the Sino-Soviet split.

Anyway, though, do you have any thoughts on my original question here?