The War of the Triple Alliance (1864-1870)

Jun 2012
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Brazil
#11
Too simple. The invasion of Uruguay by Argentina and Brazil was basically the start of it all. Not only would it mean complete encirclement by enemies, but judging from their behavior Paraguay would probably be next anyway (Argentina considered them a breakaway province anyway). They could also have chosen to remain outside the war, but judging from what happened in Holland 1940 that gives no guarantees.
That being said, invading Brazil the way they did, should indeed feature prominently in that book.
Argentina didn't participate in the invasion of Uruguay, they declared political support to Brazil and that's it, they would not interfere in the war, they were not part in the campaign and the war, they supported Brazil because the civil war in Uruguay was considered a nuisance to the region, there wanst a combined plan of war for Uruguay much less, to attack Paraguay, in reality, Paraguay called Argentina to enter the war at his side in the beginning, and later Brazil, Argentina said good luck to both of you but, nope, them Paraguay invades Argentina.
The invasion of Argentina was also pretty bad, Lopez thought that putting his foot, on Argentinian soil he would create a revolt by Urquiza, and together they would march to Buenos Aires, what he didn't think was first Urquiza was under Brazil paycheck since 1850 when he rebelled against Rosas, second he didn't have any contact with Urquiza to try to coordinate anything, he only had hope that his actions would do that, invading Argentina he would manage to make a neutral country enter the war, he also didn't know how to fight this country his army stayed in the Correntine region, doing nearly nothing.
 

Willempie

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Jul 2015
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Netherlands
#12
Argentina didn't participate in the invasion of Uruguay, they declared political support to Brazil and that's it, they would not interfere in the war, they were not part in the campaign and the war, they supported Brazil because the civil war in Uruguay was considered a nuisance to the region, there wanst a combined plan of war for Uruguay much less, to attack Paraguay, in reality, Paraguay called Argentina to enter the war at his side in the beginning, and later Brazil, Argentina said good luck to both of you but, nope, them Paraguay invades Argentina.
The invasion of Argentina was also pretty bad, Lopez thought that putting his foot, on Argentinian soil he would create a revolt by Urquiza, and together they would march to Buenos Aires, what he didn't think was first Urquiza was under Brazil paycheck since 1850 when he rebelled against Rosas, second he didn't have any contact with Urquiza to try to coordinate anything, he only had hope that his actions would do that, invading Argentina he would manage to make a neutral country enter the war, he also didn't know how to fight this country his army stayed in the Correntine region, doing nearly nothing.
You're right, it was a civil war in Uruguay where one of the parties had support from the ruling party in Argentina. Those semi-democratic party-structures make it very difficult to understand, at least for me.
 

Willempie

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Jul 2015
5,305
Netherlands
#14
No problem, it is truly complex, to understand this kind of details, Uruguay in 19th century, was very interesting but also a bit crazy.
Well as a non-Spanish or Portuguese speaker it already is confusing with the names. A while back I got intrigued by the whole story due to a quote "Muero con mi patria"
 
Jun 2012
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Brazil
#15
Well as a non-Spanish or Portuguese speaker it already is confusing with the names. A while back I got intrigued by the whole story due to a quote "Muero con mi patria"
In some way he was right, Paraguay died in this war, Lopez and his family were very colorful, although his father was a thousand years better nation leader.
The war had some very interesting and even funny episodes, like were Paraguay managed to capture a breach loading gun, and under Lopez order, they would burn the whole ammo supply, to the amusement of the "presidente", and never use it a real battle.
 
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Argentina didn't participate in the invasion of Uruguay, they declared political support to Brazil and that's it, they would not interfere in the war, they were not part in the campaign and the war, they supported Brazil because the civil war in Uruguay was considered a nuisance to the region, there wanst a combined plan of war for Uruguay much less, to attack Paraguay, in reality, Paraguay called Argentina to enter the war at his side in the beginning, and later Brazil, Argentina said good luck to both of you but, nope, them Paraguay invades Argentina.
The invasion of Argentina was also pretty bad, Lopez thought that putting his foot, on Argentinian soil he would create a revolt by Urquiza, and together they would march to Buenos Aires, what he didn't think was first Urquiza was under Brazil paycheck since 1850 when he rebelled against Rosas, second he didn't have any contact with Urquiza to try to coordinate anything, he only had hope that his actions would do that, invading Argentina he would manage to make a neutral country enter the war, he also didn't know how to fight this country his army stayed in the Correntine region, doing nearly nothing.
So that's why he went to war with Argentina? He wanted Urquiza to take over and bring Argentina into the war on the Paraguayan side? That's such a full-hardy plan.
 
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Jun 2012
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Brazil
#17
So that's why he went to war with Argentina? He wanted Urquiza to take over and bring Argentina into the war on the Paraguayan side? That's such a full-hardy plan.
He wanted to march to Uruguay one division of his army tried to south Brazil and got blocked really fast, the other "easier" way was through Argentina, he called Mitre to his side and fight Brazil, or at least give permission to Paraguayan armies to march cross and fight in Argentina territory, Buenos Aires, of course, said no, they thought Argentina was a failed State, he looked in the past in 1850/51 in the Platine War, were Brazil would manage to unify Argentina and Uruguay opposition to defeat their governments, and Lopez thought if Brazil can do so do I, what he didn't know was that it took a lot of money, political movement and negotiations to Brazil get that, but in his mind he only needed to invade them, pillage part of their country and they would side with him, but the dudes that he believed would help in Argentina, were same that fought with Brazil, and they liked to be at the side of Brazil. Not only they don't started a revolt at Lopez side, but his invasion also managed to unify an until them a disunited nation.
 
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He wanted to march to Uruguay one division of his army tried to south Brazil and got blocked really fast, the other "easier" way was through Argentina, he called Mitre to his side and fight Brazil, or at least give permission to Paraguayan armies to march cross and fight in Argentina territory, Buenos Aires, of course, said no, they thought Argentina was a failed State, he looked in the past in 1850/51 in the Platine War, were Brazil would manage to unify Argentina and Uruguay opposition to defeat their governments, and Lopez thought if Brazil can do so do I, what he didn't know was that it took a lot of money, political movement and negotiations to Brazil get that, but in his mind he only needed to invade them, pillage part of their country and they would side with him, but the dudes that he believed would help in Argentina, were same that fought with Brazil, and they liked to be at the side of Brazil. Not only they don't started a revolt at Lopez side, but his invasion also managed to unify an until them a disunited nation.
That's quite a back-fire. I wasn't actually aware of the Platine War.
 
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Jun 2012
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Brazil
#19
Platine War, is pretty interesting, the military Campaign was planned, by Brazilian general Caxias, so it was a more "clean" war from the march over Uruguay the lifting of the eight-year long Siege of Montevideo, to the imperial navy destroying Argentine ships in the ports before making to the sea, and destroying land batteries, although the last battle, the Battle of Caseros, was huge chaos that worked but interesting in this battle fought Gauchos from the three countries, German Sharpshooters from the imperial army, flee blacks manning guns, it had probably the biggest cavalry charge of south america, when Urquiza took 7.000 thousand of his cavalry and made a huge charge, with nearly failed because most of his troops overshoot the battlefield.
 

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