Tomorrow's navy

Belgarion

Ad Honorem
Jul 2011
6,812
Australia
Should amphibious assault ships, landing platform helicopters, helicopter destroyers, landing helicopter docks be considered carriers because
they carry vehicles (including flying ones)?
Short answer, no. A true aircraft carrier uses its aircraft to project lots of power over the horizon. LHDs etc. use aircraft (mostly helos) in a close support role for amphibious operations. Destroyers carry helicopters mainly for ASW. So while they all carry aircraft, they are not aircraft carriers. :)
 

sparky

Ad Honorem
Jan 2017
5,667
Sydney
the capacity to damage large ships has increased exponentially
one could conceive of submarines , planes and surface ships as mother-ships for swarms of drones , locating targets
then killer drones would be guided to their objectives to perform attacks maneuvers on their own
the response would be to have drone anti-drones evolving as a response in a Darwinian fashion

eliminating humans pilots save a lot of technical problems and make the production much cheaper
as for A.I. it is progressing in leap and bound not least by using image identification and recognition
those drones can move very fast using algorithms to confuse the defense
 

VHS

Ad Honorem
Dec 2015
4,863
Florania
the capacity to damage large ships has increased exponentially
one could conceive of submarines , planes and surface ships as mother-ships for swarms of drones , locating targets
then killer drones would be guided to their objectives to perform attacks maneuvers on their own
the response would be to have drone anti-drones evolving as a response in a Darwinian fashion

eliminating humans pilots save a lot of technical problems and make the production much cheaper
as for A.I. it is progressing in leap and bound not least by using image identification and recognition
those drones can move very fast using algorithms to confuse the defense
Missiles obsolete battleships; will they obsolete aircraft carriers?
Small is beautiful, diseconomies of scale usually happen.
Will 100,00 tonnage + aircraft carriers be white elephants?

Aircraft carriers are still effective delivery of forces,
and they forms centres of battle groups.
Can this ordinance be replaced any time soon?
 

Naomasa298

Forum Staff
Apr 2010
35,884
T'Republic of Yorkshire
Short answer, no. A true aircraft carrier uses its aircraft to project lots of power over the horizon. LHDs etc. use aircraft (mostly helos) in a close support role for amphibious operations. Destroyers carry helicopters mainly for ASW. So while they all carry aircraft, they are not aircraft carriers. :)
The Japanese have the Izumo class "helicopter destroyer" that they are looking at converting to carry F-35s. But they'll probably still call it a helicopter destroyer,
 

Belgarion

Ad Honorem
Jul 2011
6,812
Australia
The Japanese have the Izumo class "helicopter destroyer" that they are looking at converting to carry F-35s. But they'll probably still call it a helicopter destroyer,
These 'destroyers' are actually a CVS in all but name. They probably use the term destroyer because possessing aircraft carriers may seem too aggressive for the supposedly purely defensive role of the JMSDF.
 

pikeshot1600

Ad Honoris
Jul 2009
10,094
The Japanese have the Izumo class "helicopter destroyer" that they are looking at converting to carry F-35s. But they'll probably still call it a helicopter destroyer,
Those two ships are now classed as "multi-purpose destroyers." ;)

They were designed from the first as fixed wing capable platforms, and are referred to as other than what they are because of terms of the post war Japanese constitution.

Japan also has two Hyuga-class "helicopter destroyers" that look an awful lot like CVs.
 

VHS

Ad Honorem
Dec 2015
4,863
Florania
Those two ships are now classed as "multi-purpose destroyers." ;)

They were designed from the first as fixed wing capable platforms, and are referred to as other than what they are because of terms of the post war Japanese constitution.

Japan also has two Hyuga-class "helicopter destroyers" that look an awful lot like CVs.
The Izumo class is about the size of the Italian aircraft carrier Cavour.
Should we call it subterfuge?
 

sparky

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Jan 2017
5,667
Sydney
there is a trend toward "Amphibious assault ships "
multipurpose battle wagons with ample storage room for smaller vessels , helicopters and some aircraft type
since they are so spacious and versatile
they can be used as floating base and command control for various duty from expeditionary to humanitarians

 

AlpinLuke

Forum Staff
Oct 2011
27,609
Italy, Lago Maggiore
The Navy itself is not going to change a lot in the next decades.

We have to keep in mind that to produce a carrier it takes years [like to produce a submarine or a modern frigate, like a FREMM], so that the units that are starting to navigate now are intended to serve at least for other 20-30 years. For example the new Italian wide carrier [Trieste Class] is going to be around for decades in the future.

At the end the Navy has to supply floating platforms and transport units and this is what it has been doing for centuries and centuries.

Ships cannot fly, it would be a redundant technology and a excess of useless risk [when the engine stops a ship keeps on floating, if it's flying and the engine stops ... it will fall]. This means that the speed of the military vessel can increase further, but not that much.

What is going to know a quick evolutionit is the composition of the Navy and what's on those "floating platforms".

Substantially modern Navies are composed by carriers, submarines, amphibious assault ships, and quick frigates [to support and protect carriers and assault ships], or equivalent units, possibly stealth. Usually the most technologically advanced Navies deploy also ships for electronic warfare.

Regarding what there will be on those platform, we can only wait and see, but I'm sure we will be in some measure surprised.