Turkey commting assisted economic suicide?

Jun 2012
7,067
Malaysia
You mean thanks to Atatürk and his colleague. Cut the miracle crap and go with your islamic bullshit.
Dude. I was merely using the word miracle in a figure of speech kind of way, as is indeed often done in conventional English language writing. And yes, I was alluding to Kemal Ataturk, even if I did not specifically mention his name. No need to get your knickers all in a twist over nothing.
 
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Devdas

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Apr 2015
4,149
India
Another trolling post. Now, I wud not be all that surprised if someone found out that Reccep actually has some Georgian, Armenian or Greek, or even combo of all three, lineage. Point is, he is now a Muslim, and so has several generations of his ancestors, at the very least, and there is not much chance of him or any of his immediate family reconverting back to the previous faith of their far ancient ancestors. And that is in fact exactly the case with the great majority of today's so called Anatolian looking Turks.

Just as, similarly also, there is not much chance of today's Pakistanis, Afghans, Bangladeshis, Malay Malaysians & Muslim Indonesians, even Muslim Indians, and their immediate family members, reconverting back to Hinduism, or Buddhism, or even paganistic animism, the faiths of their ancient ancestors.

While ancient Anatolia was not exactly so called "IE area" either. Even the Hittites were a numerical minority demographically, but their overwhelming military supremacy enabled them to impose their language & military culture on the numerically bigger indigenous Hatti whom they conquered, an originally Caucasic people who were neither IE nor Semitic.

Turkish identity in Anatolia was not created in 1920s. But more like in the 11th century, with the earliest arrival of the Seljuks. You need some polishing up on your history knowledge.
The reality is the many Muslims in India, Pakistan and Bangladesh are still keeping their pre-Islamic Hindu surnames like Choudhary, Bajwa, Bhutt/But, Khokhar etc. or their former Hindu castes like Jaat(Jutt in Punjabi) or Gujjar or Rajputs.

Turks were not actually facially Caucasian people, they were facially, physically and linguistically showed more closeness to Mongols, like modern Uzbeks and Kazakhs. In medieval painting of India and Iran, Turks were also shows as people looking similar to Mongols. After Turks conquered Anatolia, if any Christian converted and became Muslim, his ethnicity was also changed to Turk, this is how we got Anatolia as facially Caucasian looking.

The Turkish nationalism may have a reaction to Arab revolt and Arab nationalism against their Ottoman Emperor and Arabs seemed quite happy with the end of the Ottoman empire, while the dethroning of last Ottoman king whom Muslims in Indian subcontinent saw as their Caliph, so when British dethroned him it didn't went well among Muslims here.
 
Apr 2012
1,683
India
Erdogan is destroying the democratic values of his country. Actually he already has. That is the worst of the damage.
What is wrong about destruction of democracy?

Democracy only breed moral corruption, concentration of power with mercantile elites, gimping of national and governmental sovereignty, and enslavement of population under pretext of choice.

If anything, fall of democracy should be celebrated.
 

Devdas

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Apr 2015
4,149
India
The rudeness was unnecessary. Modern Turkish identity was created in 1920s, before that a lot of Armenians, Greeks used to live in Anatolia. Ottoman Empire was not a Turkish nationalist Empire in the sense Russian Empire was. And I have actually seen few Indian and Pakistani, Bangladeshi Muslims and Indian Christians acting like Indian nationalists and lamenting that partition took place. In Iran youth is becoming Zoroastrian, saying they are Aryans. So I was wondering if same was case with Turkey too?

Thousands of Turks Learn of Their Greek, Armenian Heritage with New Government Genealogy Database - The Pappas Post
This was only confined to Indian subcontinent, the non-Turkish ethnic especially Arabs collaborated with British to overthrow the Ottoman Empire. Turkish identity had always existed, but it was redefined in 1920s under Ataturk where he redefined a pro-European Turkish identity like changing of clothes, introducing Latin Script and purging out Persian and Arabic words out of Turkish language.
 
Apr 2012
989
The Netherlands
What is wrong about destruction of democracy?

Democracy only breed moral corruption, concentration of power with mercantile elites, gimping of national and governmental sovereignty, and enslavement of population under pretext of choice.
This as opposed to all those kindly dictators who surely have everyone's best interest in mind and just want a world full of sunshine and puppies.
 
Aug 2010
15,231
Welsh Marches
In Europe at least, if one compares the record of autocratic regimes with that of democratic regimes in the last 100 years, it is clear that the democratic regimes have been much more successful in working to the benefit of the general population, and, to put it mildly, have committed much less evil.
 
Jun 2010
346
Dundee , Scotland
What is wrong about destruction of democracy?

Democracy only breed moral corruption, concentration of power with mercantile elites, gimping of national and governmental sovereignty, and enslavement of population under pretext of choice.

If anything, fall of democracy should be celebrated.
Yesssss !! The world needs more enlightened , kind and benevolent leaders like Hitler , Stalin , Mao , Mussolini and Castro
who really cared about their people and made their lives oh so much better . Hope someone has saved
their DNA so we can clone them :lol:
 

royal744

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Jul 2013
9,836
San Antonio, Tx
The thing about NATO is that, it is mainly a US vehicle for domination & control of Europe under US hegemony. That is the likely leading reason why France left NATO, although remaining a kind of close ally. And you also need to ponder, what actually is the likely threat to Europe that NATO is actually defending against. Then one might get some light on the reasons for France leaving.
France quit NATO in 1966 and rejoined it completely in 2009 or thereabouts.
 

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