Turkey commting assisted economic suicide?

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Some people suggest of great aspirations on the part of Erdogan; whatever Erdogan tries to do will be extending the influence of Turkey, and how will he
achieve his goals?
What are the realistic aspirations of Turkey?
Erdogan's aspirations are two fold. Restoring Ottoman splendor on the national- and international stage and himself being the sultan.

Therefore the first thing is to do is having absolute domestic power by playing santa claus with borrowed money, manipulating the voters and changing laws.

He has two important poker cards in his pocket for playing internationally, Turkey's position as an energy hub between east and west where he can have leverage over both europe and some parts of the Middle-East. And second, Turkey's strategic position.
 
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Devdas

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Erdogan's aspirations are two fold. Restoring Ottoman splendor on the national- and international stage and himself being the sultan.

Therefore the first thing is to do is having absolute domestic power by playing santa claus with borrowed money, manipulating the voters and changing laws.

He has two important poker cards in his pocket for playing internationally, Turkey's position as an energy hub between east and west where he can have leverage over both europe and some parts of the Middle-East. And second, Turkey's strategic position.
The Turkish referendum to make him stronger proves he enjoyed a widespread support for his policies. But Turkey has a small sized economy, it can't take on big powers across the world. Gone are the days of Ottoman Empire.
 

VHS

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Erdogan's aspirations are two fold. Restoring Ottoman splendor on the national- and international stage and himself being the sultan.

Therefore the first thing is to do is having absolute domestic power by playing santa claus with borrowed money, manipulating the voters and changing laws.

He has two important poker cards in his pocket for playing internationally, Turkey's position as an energy hub between east and west where he can have leverage over both europe and some parts of the Middle-East. And second, Turkey's strategic position.
Is it unrealistic? The size, population and economic strength of Turkey limits it to a "middle power" status, while the Ottoman Empire at its height was one of the "great powers".
 
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Is it unrealistic? The size, population and economic strength of Turkey limits it to a "middle power" status, while the Ottoman Empire at its height was one of the "great powers".
It's more about restoring Ottoman splendor on the world stage. He wants to increase political- and ideological influence, not re-making the complete Ottoman empire, which is quite impossible.
 

Devdas

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Is it unrealistic? The size, population and economic strength of Turkey limits it to a "middle power" status, while the Ottoman Empire at its height was one of the "great powers".
It seems more likely that he want to be some global leader or atleast in the Muslim world.
 

Dreamhunter

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The Turkish referendum to make him stronger proves he enjoyed a widespread support for his policies. But Turkey has a small sized economy, it can't take on big powers across the world. Gone are the days of Ottoman Empire.
Sheer size is not all that matters. It is more about what you do with what you have. While Ottoman or no Ottoman is of no critical importance. Just gotta look at both population & economic trends. If Turkey's population hits 125 million in 2050, a pretty reasonable projection, then Turkey only needs a per capita GDP of US$20,000 that time to make it into a US$2.5 trillion economy.
 
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Devdas

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Sheer size is not all that matters. It is more about what you do with what you have. While Ottoman or no Ottoman is of no critical importance. Just gotta look at both population & economic trends. If Turkey's population hits 125 million in 2050, a pretty reasonable projection, then Turkey only needs a per capita GDP of US$20,000 that time to make it into a US$2.5 trillion economy.
If Turkey will be $2.5 Trillion economy in 2050, so would be other countries across the world. Its not good for medium sized country to open front with several countries. Oil rich Saudis are the guardians of holiest Islamic shrines while Iran is the largest Shia state, but what does Erdogan has to offer so that he could influence the Muslim world except some Turkic countries of Central Asia.
 

Dreamhunter

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If Turkey will be $2.5 Trillion economy in 2050, so would be other countries across the world. Its not good for medium sized country to open front with several countries. Oil rich Saudis are the guardians of holiest Islamic shrines while Iran is the largest Shia state, but what does Erdogan has to offer so that he could influence the Muslim world except some Turkic countries of Central Asia.
These are only your own personally coloured perceptions. Possibly perhaps even your private wishes. They are not the realities that are actually going to manifest. Maybe in your own mind you see a Turkey fading away, but what is going to actually play out is not decided in your mind only. And what so called 'opening a front' is that which you are talking about?

Not every US$700 billion economy now - including Turkey - is automatically going to be a US$2.5 trillion economy in 2050. That ain't how it works. Depends also on how their economy & their population continue to develop too.

SA is not going to be so called 'oil rich' forever, simply because oil is not an inexhaustible resource. Whether they can continue to thrive as they run out of oil still remains to be seen. Their historical dependence on oil is in fact their #1 liability. While they on their own, without US backing, are not yet physically that credible as a so called bastion of Islam.

Turkey, Iran & Pakistan all thriving & continuing to thrive at the same time is not necessarily an impossible scenario. It is SA, rather than Turkey, Pakistan or Iran, which is yet to prove itself in terms of real sustainability.
 
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Turkey, Iran & Pakistan all thriving & continuing to thrive at the same time is not necessarily an impossible scenario. It is SA, rather than Turkey, Pakistan or Iran, which is yet to prove itself in terms of real sustainability.
I can see Turkey as a quasi European and modern country. But why do you think Iran ( mullah rule/sanctions) and Pakistan (army rule/huge illiterate population) will thrive in future?
 
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