Two India alternate history questions

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I have two alternate history questions about India:

1. Had Jinnah either died a year or two earlier or had India's partition been delayed until Jinnah's death (due to foot-dragging), would India's partition have been completely averted and prevented?

2. What would the politics of a united India have looked like?
 

M.S. Islam

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I have two alternate history questions about India:

1. Had Jinnah either died a year or two earlier or had India's partition been delayed until Jinnah's death (due to foot-dragging), would India's partition have been completely averted and prevented?
No. Jinnah was some orders of magnitudes a better proposition than his successor Liaqat Ali Khan.

You seem to have very little understanding of Jinnah. For starter, Jinnah had been an ardent supporter of Muslim-Hindu unity until 1940. Partition was the last resort for him.
2. What would the politics of a united India have looked like?
Unless it's a loose federation, it breaks apart in chaos.
 
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No. Jinnah was some orders of magnitudes a better proposition than his successor Liaqat Ali Khan.

You seem to have very little understanding of Jinnah. For starter, Jinnah had been an ardent supporter of Muslim-Hindu unity until 1940. Partition was the last resort for him.
So, partition would have still occurred in any case due to a failure among the Muslim League and Indian National Congress to agree to a power-sharing deal?

Unless it's a loose federation, it breaks apart in chaos.
What would the ultimate outcome of this break-up be?
 

M.S. Islam

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So, partition would have still occurred in any case due to a failure among the Muslim League and Indian National Congress to agree to a power-sharing deal?
Most certainly. He accepted partition reluctantly, his successors would wholeheartedly.

What would the ultimate outcome of this break-up be?
Maybe 6-7 countries, e.g. Bengal, Punjab, Sindh, Balochistan, Assam etc. alongside central India.
 
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Why were they enthusiastic about partition?

Also, why would Bengal and Punjab be united upon independence in this scenario? Wouldn't the Bengali and Punjabi Hindus and Sikhs not want to live under Muslim rule?
 

Devdas

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Why were they enthusiastic about partition?

Also, why would Bengal and Punjab be united upon independence in this scenario? Wouldn't the Bengali and Punjabi Hindus and Sikhs not want to live under Muslim rule?
Despite Hindu and Sikhs not liking it, Muslim were eyeing entire Punjab and Bengal for themselves, and Assam was seen as a land which would be used to settle overpopulated Bengali Muslims. Assam had a Hindu majority, it was due to local leader Gopinath Bordoloi, that Assam didn't end up as the part of East Pakistan.
 
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Despite Hindu and Sikhs not liking it, Muslim were eyeing entire Punjab and Bengal for themselves, and Assam was seen as a land which would be used to settle overpopulated Bengali Muslims. Assam had a Hindu majority, it was due to local leader Gopinath Bordoloi, that Assam didn't end up as the part of East Pakistan.
Interesting. That said, though, Hindus and Sikhs are probably going to fight to the death rather than be ruled by Muslims, no?
 

M.S. Islam

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Why were they enthusiastic about partition?
Socioeconomic and social security conditions made a separate homeland for Muslims a necessity; the same reason (minus the economic factor) Jews of Europe needed a separate homeland.

Also, why would Bengal and Punjab be united upon independence in this scenario? Wouldn't the Bengali and Punjabi Hindus and Sikhs not want to live under Muslim rule?
In fact, Muslims, Hindus and Sikhs of Punjab were united under the Punjabi-nationalist PM Sikandar Hayat Khan until the partition issue (which he opposed) created tensions in early 1940s.
 
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I have two alternate history questions about India:

1. Had Jinnah either died a year or two earlier or had India's partition been delayed until Jinnah's death (due to foot-dragging), would India's partition have been completely averted and prevented?

2. What would the politics of a united India have looked like?
Jinnah's death would not have prevented the partition. Someone else would've taken his place.
Separatist sentiments were there even before revolt of 1857. Even these days you can find tendecy of separatism in a few muslim majority areas of India.

Intrestingly in his earlier days Jinnah was against Gandhi's policy of muslim appeasement. He didn't agree with Gandhi's support for Khilafat movement (to support Ottoman Caliphet), which resulted in Mappila riot and claimed life of many innocent people. He was against idea of mixing religion with politics.

Looks like only reason he chose to be face of the separatists is because he was sidelined by Indian National Congress. Whatever, Pakistan would not have been such a mess if he would've left a successor like himself behind.

Personally I think Dr Ambedkar's proposal of partition in 1940 was pragmatic. He suggested complete transfer of Hindu and Muslim population across the borders in an orderly and controlled manner. We would've been spared from genocides, false hopes and pseudo-secularism. Both of countries would've planned their future much more efficiently.
But our 'great' leaders, intoxicated by their own 'grandeur', burdened by their own 'sense' of 'morality' lost touch with the reality.
The painful memory of partition still haunts people of the subcontinent but intellectuals/politicians have no moral fiber to reflect upon this tragedy except when their too opinionated minds want to play blame game for personal gains.

I think there is only one way a 'united India' could've been successful. That's by a military dictatorship which would be committed to cleaning religious c**p from people's mind.

This was originally proposed map of muslim 'countries' in the subcontinent.
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Devdas

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Jinnah's death would not have prevented the partition. Someone else would've taken his place.
Separatist sentiments were there even before revolt of 1857. Even these days you can find tendecy of separatism in a few muslim majority areas of India.

Intrestingly in his earlier days Jinnah was against Gandhi's policy of muslim appeasement. He didn't agree with Gandhi's support for Khilafat movement (to support Ottoman Caliphet), which resulted in Mappila riot and claimed life of many innocent people. He was against idea of mixing religion with politics.

Looks like only reason he chose to be face of the separatists is because he was sidelined by Indian National Congress. Whatever, Pakistan would not have been such a mess if he would've left a successor like himself behind.

Personally I think Dr Ambedkar's proposal of partition in 1940 was pragmatic. He suggested complete transfer of Hindu and Muslim population across the borders in an orderly and controlled manner. We would've been spared from genocides, false hopes and pseudo-secularism. Both of countries would've planned their future much more efficiently.
But our 'great' leaders, intoxicated by their own 'grandeur', burdened by their own 'sense' of 'morality' lost touch with the reality.
The painful memory of partition still haunts people of the subcontinent but intellectuals/politicians have no moral fiber to reflect upon this tragedy except when their too opinionated minds want to play blame game for personal gains.

I think there is only one way a 'united India' could've been successful. That's by a military dictatorship which would be committed to cleaning religious c**p from people's mind.

This was originally proposed map of muslim 'countries' in the subcontinent.
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This maps looks like a joke infact. I had read proponent of Pakistan even wanted a corridor across Indo-Gangetic plains to join East and West Pakistan. I read that there was even an assassination attempt on Jinnah by Muslims for creating a smaller Pakistan.
 
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