U.S - Russia Standoff In Syria Thread

Valens

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I thought we should have a thread on this, as the current events surrounding Syria count as one of the most serious escalations between two superpowers since the Cold War.

There seems to be the impeding U.S./French attack on Syria, but it remains to be seen whether it will be a limited attack like the last time Trump ordered an attack against the Syrian regime or a more serious engagement. Some, like Lindsay Graham as well as other senior US figures, have urged Trump to initiate a large-scale intervention against the regime's forces in Syria.
Russian diplomats and senior officials have said that there will be serious consequences in case of U.S/Coalition attack on Syria and that Russia will retaliate by downing missiles and attacking their launching sites.

Several Russian analysts and prominent figures hinted U.S. and Russia are on the verge of conflict.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/04/11/syria-military-strike-latest-developments/506476002/

The U.S. President also recently tweeted that Russia should get ready 'missiles will be coming' and later posted a conflicting statement urging for the stop of the arms race.
 
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janusdviveidis

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It is a bit surprising for me. Originally I thought that this whole thing is about money. Assad refused proposal to build natural gas pipeline from Quatar to EU, this helps Russia, puts EU/USA at disadvantage. So, it was natural for western coalition to try and remove him. At the same time Russia had to protect its market for gas. But this would explain attempt to do something fast, not this prolonged and quite expensive conflict. Really, what Syria has that anyone wants?
 

Linschoten

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If Trump orders a large scale operation (and he seems capable of doing so), the Russians will finally be sharply confronted with their limitations. They would not make a deliberate decision to attack American naval vessels or other facilities, but the worry in a situation like this is what may come about by accident in the heat of the moment.
 

Valens

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If Trump orders a large scale operation (and he seems capable of doing so), the Russians will finally be sharply confronted with their limitations. They would not make a deliberate decision to attack American naval vessels or other facilities, but the worry in a situation like this is what may come about by accident in the heat of the moment.
Russians are more than capable to respond to U.S. attack on Syria. They've been warning about it for quite some time.
 

tomar

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If Trump orders a large scale operation (and he seems capable of doing so), the Russians will finally be sharply confronted with their limitations. They would not make a deliberate decision to attack American naval vessels or other facilities, but the worry in a situation like this is what may come about by accident in the heat of the moment.
This is where it becomes complicated because then the nuclear option is on the table... from there its a slippery slope

The optimistic scenario is that this is all posturing (as in the case of N Korea) with the aim of being in a better negotiating position....
 
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If Trump orders a large scale operation (and he seems capable of doing so), the Russians will finally be sharply confronted with their limitations. They would not make a deliberate decision to attack American naval vessels or other facilities, but the worry in a situation like this is what may come about by accident in the heat of the moment.
do you support intervention militarily against assad? if you do may i ask why now so late into the war?
 

Valens

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This is where it becomes complicated because then the nuclear option is on the table... from there its a slippery slope

The optimistic scenario is that this is all posturing (as in the case of N Korea) with the aim of being in a better negotiating position....
Well, it appears that diplomacy has totally failed in this case. Just look at the communication between Moscow and Washington, they speak in different languages, about different realities. It's not the Cold War where both sides were wary of each other.
The West's arrogance is just astounding, I think they consider they are indispensable and superior and that Russia can be threatened into submission if they apply enough pressure.
 

tomar

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Russians are more than capable to respond to U.S. attack on Syria. They've been warning about it for quite some time.
No they are not.. they have a small contigent, far away from home which cannot be reinforced or supported...... In any prolonged fight that contingent is toast....
Which means that if the firing starts they have to either back down or put the nuclear option on the table...