US motive for Vietnam war

Menshevik

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Dec 2012
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#41
Yeah, all those commies did nothing wrong. They were just innocent little angels...



And its not like the Domino Theory was real, because that would mean if it was real that nations like Cambodia would indeed haven fallen to those same innocent angel commies too, and we know that didn't happen...

I assume you're referring to the Khmer Rouge, right? Well, wasn't it other communists, that fought and stopped them?
 

M9Powell

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Oct 2014
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#42
Don't know how accurate it is but I've been told that at the time of Dien Bien Phu the extensive Michelin rubber plantations in Vietnam were a vital military asset that the west had too control. If that is true then we certainly should have given perhaps our best allies the French whatever military aid & Air support necessary too hold them. At some point in time synthetic rubber became viable at which time Vietnam had really no vital interest to NATO. Above my pay grade, but I have heard that.
 
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#43
When I was over there in 'Nam, there was an ugly rumor going around that the war was being dragged on for the benefit of the investor class who were reaping profits from the military-indusrial businesses in the USA.
 
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#44
I assume you're referring to the Khmer Rouge, right? Well, wasn't it other communists, that fought and stopped them?
Stopped them from what? Killing between 1.4 million and 2.2 million people? No, sorry, the People's Republic of Vietnam was a bit late to stop that. Also, they didn't invade for humanitarian reasons, it was a powerplay over regional communist control, the Cambodian commies wanted autonomy, the Vietnamese commies wanted to control all of SE Asia.
 

Tulius

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May 2016
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#45
In the Cold War scenario it was natural and expected that with the independence, and the consequent retreat to the French, the USA would support the South against the communist North. The problem, for the USA, was that as in many other places the things went down very quickly.

The country didn’t had resources and structures to face the insurgents supported by the communist block and when the USA forces entered with the first military aids, still during Kennedy’s administration, they begun an huge escalation, badly conducted, to a point that a great part of the USA military resources was in that “swamp”, completely dragged by it. The USA support to South Vietnam limited completely the USA policy around the world in the 60’s. It was an excellent chess movement for the Soviet Union.
 

Sam-Nary

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Jun 2012
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#46
Stopped them from what? Killing between 1.4 million and 2.2 million people? No, sorry, the People's Republic of Vietnam was a bit late to stop that. Also, they didn't invade for humanitarian reasons, it was a powerplay over regional communist control, the Cambodian commies wanted autonomy, the Vietnamese commies wanted to control all of SE Asia.
Doesn't change the fact that the US was supporting the Khmer Rouge, as they were CHINESE Communists and thus were opposed to the Soviets, which was a central part of Nixon's detente strategy... Vietnam may not have come in to stop the genocide, but the US wasn't doing ANYTHING about it either and as the differences between the Soviet Union and China grew, issues like the Khmer Rouge became a part of that larger political game... and the Khmer Rouge was supported. And I think it's even mentioned in the book A Problem from Hell that America was still supporting the Khmer Rouge even after they had been pushed out of power.
 
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#47
Doesn't change the fact that the US was supporting the Khmer Rouge, as they were CHINESE Communists and thus were opposed to the Soviets, which was a central part of Nixon's detente strategy... Vietnam may not have come in to stop the genocide, but the US wasn't doing ANYTHING about it either and as the differences between the Soviet Union and China grew, issues like the Khmer Rouge became a part of that larger political game... and the Khmer Rouge was supported. And I think it's even mentioned in the book A Problem from Hell that America was still supporting the Khmer Rouge even after they had been pushed out of power.
The US didn't stop the Khmer for the same reason they didn't stop the North Vietnamese, because over half the Congress of the US decided it wasn't popular anymore to fight communism so they stopped doing it. Thus the Domino Effect went into effect and didn't stop.
 

robto

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Jun 2014
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#48
The US didn't stop the Khmer for the same reason they didn't stop the North Vietnamese, because over half the Congress of the US decided it wasn't popular anymore to fight communism so they stopped doing it. Thus the Domino Effect went into effect and didn't stop.
The Domino Effect didn't extend to the Phillipines and Indonesia (their biggest allies in the region).
 
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#49
The Domino Effect didn't extend to the Phillipines and Indonesia (their biggest allies in the region).
Philippines had a major communist insurgency that exists to this day. The US has been deeply involved in helping them fight off the communist threat. The difference between it and Vietnam is that we never gave up on the Philippines. That domino didn't fall because of three letters. U. S. A.

Indonesia never suffered a major communist insurgency because as soon as it started brewing in the mid 60s they simply slaughtered everyone associated with the movement. Considering they are an island and the ethnic Chinese nationals, a majority in Indonesia but whom dominated the communist movement, the communists couldn't gain outsider support which meant they were doomed in a way that South Vietnam never had a chance to replicate, it being bordered by two nations with zero control over their borders (Laos and Cambodia) who were suffering their own communist insurgencies, and a third, North Vietnam, who were actively militarily invading RVN and aiding the NLF insurgency.
 

Sam-Nary

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Jun 2012
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#50
The US didn't stop the Khmer for the same reason they didn't stop the North Vietnamese, because over half the Congress of the US decided it wasn't popular anymore to fight communism so they stopped doing it. Thus the Domino Effect went into effect and didn't stop.
It didn't stop? So Thailand, Burma, India, Nepal, Pakistan and so on all immediately went Communist?