US 'war on terror' has killed over half a million people in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq

tomar

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Jan 2011
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Ask yourself .............. how the hell did ISIS even exist to begin with, where does thousands of armed extremists just pop up out of nowhere and invade not one but two countries, funded and armed to the teeth?

Ask yourself why Saudi, Oman, Kuwait, UAE, Jordan doesn't suffer with these issues? are they not crazy muslim countries also? isn't it interesting ........... that only Muslim countries not allied with America (Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Libya) seem to get these issues?
Contradicted by facts on the ground..... Pakistan is a US ally and "suffers these issues"

And Algeria already had the likes of ISIS in the 90s , it was called GIA and other acronyms and used the same kind of terror..... I suppose the US is responsible too

Algerian Civil War - Wikipedia

as a result there was a 10 year long civil war with 10s of thousands of casualties....

the Rais and Bentalha massacres in particular shocked worldwide observers. Pregnant women were sliced open, children were hacked to pieces or dashed against walls, men's limbs were hacked off one by one, and, as the attackers retreated, they would kidnap young women to keep as sex slaves

Oddly familiar, aint it ? .....
 
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I also accept that it's cheap calling the West for every time you failed, apparently politicians love it. Yet there is a solid aspect which is succession of 'freedom' wars in the East happening with the official Western military support.
Remember how the US protected 'freedom' fighters in Syria against Assad regime and recently against Russian air strike. The same freedom fighters been preparing the needed conditions for invasion of ISIS in the region, also practiced same inhumane acts and recently merged into ISIS. Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria, all of which seen deposition of their not cooperating leaders.
Follow how the US armed the Kurdish fighters in Syria, not an assumption, official news. The same Kurdish militia happens to dwell in Turkiye under the banner of PKK with the guns.
Yet again, follow how Trump just like his predecessors has to talk on the necessity of military operations against Iran.
People in the region have been ruined for years and they are terrorists when they return one or two rockets back. If Muslims were truly in some jihad or in intentions of killing Western people, they could do much more than killing some hundred people in the last two decades. It is easy to find guns be it legal or illegal. Mass shootings, car divings, water contaminations, school shootings would be in enormous scales.
 
No Islam, no ISIS!
America has nothing to do with it.
America has nothing to do with it? are you saying this straight faced?

America removed Saddam Hussien = ISIS

America funded Bin Laden = Al-Quaida

America funded terrorists to remove Assad = ISIS

America financed the removal of the Shah of Iran = Homeni

Shall I go on?

What's Islam got to do with Saddam? what's Islam got to do with the Shah of Persia?

In fact ............ America's black ops interference is actually been creating the Islamic hardliners that now plague the Middle East, Islamic hardliners didn't rule Iran until the Shah was removed, Islamic hardliners weren't all up in the country sides of Iraq and Syria before America got involved.

Assad is not a muslim hardliner and neither was Saddam, neither was Ghaddafi.
 
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America has interfered in many countries to bring about democracy and stability, such as Korea, Vietnam, Panama and so on.
Americans are Knights in shining armour, so says kandal. You have painted a very rosy picture but If i am not wrong , more than two million lives were lost in Korean War and more than a million lives lost in Vietnam war, part of the cold war between America and Soviet Union.

And Uncle Sam is not sinless promoter of peace and stability. In the name of national interests , America interferes in countries all around the world, some times destabilizing the region and promoting war and chaos there, some times restoring peace, some times supporting democracy, some times backing monarchy/dictatorship, some times supporting Islamist and some times going against secular elements.
 
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kandal

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Aug 2015
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America has nothing to do with it? are you saying this straight faced?

America removed Saddam Hussien = ISIS

America funded Bin Laden = Al-Quaida

America funded terrorists to remove Assad = ISIS

America financed the removal of the Shah of Iran = Homeni

Shall I go on?

What's Islam got to do with Saddam? what's Islam got to do with the Shah of Persia?

In fact ............ America's black ops interference is actually been creating the Islamic hardliners that now plague the Middle East, Islamic hardliners didn't rule Iran until the Shah was removed, Islamic hardliners weren't all up in the country sides of Iraq and Syria before America got involved.

Assad is not a muslim hardliner and neither was Saddam, neither was Ghaddafi.
America removed Saddam and created democracy. Islam/Muslims created ISIS.
America funded Bin Laden to kick the soviets out, and not to create Al-Qaeda. Islam/Muslims did that.
America funded Assad rebels to remove Assad, and not to create ISIS. Islam/Muslims did that.
America installed Shah family, but he left due to cancer and loss of power. Secular Iranians were defeated by the real Muslims in the power grab afterwards and installed the terrorist regime of Homeni.
Shall I go on?

Islam got to do with EVERYTHING that goes on in the Islamic world. Islam is a hardline religion, and one doesn't need America to create Muslim hardliners.
 
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kandal

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Aug 2015
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Americans are Knights in shining armour, so says kandal. You have painted a very rosy picture but If i am not wrong , more than two million lives were lost in Korean War and more than a million lives lost in Vietnam war, part of the cold war between America and Soviet Union.

And Uncle Sam is not sinless promoter of peace and stability. In the name of national interests , America interferes in countries all around the world, some times destabilizing the region and promoting war and chaos there, some times restoring peace, some times supporting democracy, some times backing monarchy/dictatorship, some times supporting Islamist and some times going against secular elements.
Wrong. America is the only stabilizing force in the world today. Without it there will be wars across the world. America is world's peace keeper, just as Britain was before. There are people so jealous of this role of America. There is no easy cure for this kind of jealousy.

Sometimes millions get killed to bring about a just world. Some 60 million got killed in the WW2. There is always a price to pay for the right cause. Sometimes it is not worth the price. For example, one million got killed to create Muslim Pakistan, a failed state and a terror sponsoring country.

As I have said earlier, the problems with the Islamic world lies squarely with Islam, a bully religion founded by a terrorist, where Muslims are taught and believe in emulating his life example. When Muslims rise above such blinded beliefs they will solve their problems. Until then expect Uncle Sam and the West to walk around carrying the stick.
 
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............ but think of how far down the line we are for those instances to happen.

The fact is Islamic terrorists are targeting Western countries, they don't bother South America, or Russia, China or Africa, ask yourself why? Islam is just the rallying call for their extremism, its the structure they use, the chain of command to set up an organisation .......... organisations funded by the CIA may I add.
'No Islamic terrorism in Africa', are you being serious? Boko Haram! They commit bombings, kill kaffirs and aim to install Sharia in Nigeria.

I'm not saying Islam doesn't have issues, Christianity has issues as well if you follow it by the letter, but the issue here isn't Islam, its America killing civilians, creating the extremism and not expecting a reprisal and acting shocked when it happens.
Russia and Iranian militias kill civilians in Syria.
 
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Feb 2018
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Pakistan and Afghanistan are not in middle east, they are South Asians. You also grouped Africa with "Asia" and Europe with whom you are relating because of lack of 'religious types'. Are not aware of the fact that Islam is the major religion of Africa?. 47% population of Africa is Muslim. If by religious types you only mean fanatics, then they also exist in Africa (read about Al-Shabab of Somalia and Boko Haram of Nigeria).

You are doing 'othering' of middle-easterns because of the instability in Middle east caused by none other America and its lackeys like UK.
Pakistan, today and unfortunately, is absolutly nothing but, The REAL LACKEY of the Rising Totaliterian Empire called People's Empire of China, which is building up the hegemony under the name of "One Belt One Road Initiative".
 
Feb 2018
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Hong Kong
Yeah, can't quibble about victim statistics. It does seem obvious that US involvement often, if not always, tends to make things worse.

I think it's not only reasonable ,but crucial to always question 'the why' of the presence of foreign troop in any country. Since WW2 I have not been able to see a noble/ altruistic reason for the presence of US troops in a foreign country.

Because it can, since WW2, the US has used force to protect its interests more than any other country of which I am aware in modern history.

Online information varies. It seems the US has been involved in 14 major conflicts ,and up to 200 in total, since WW2:

Major conflicts

Major Military Operations Since World War II

The Wiki article gives a timeline of US military actions from1775 to 2010

Timeline of United States military operations - Wikipedia

Red China Murdering 80 millions since its birthed in 1949, by means of multiple Social Engineering of Land Reforms, Purging, Famines, sociopolitical movements liked "Cultural Revolutions" and murdering stduents at the capital city, and no one cares.

When American Imperialists "'war on terror' has killed over half a million people in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq" every muslim lost their mind.
 
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