Venezuela-Africa Oil Pipeline

Jul 2012
2,855
Dhaka
#11
First, the oil isn't needed in Africa (who have their own oil), its needed in China. All oil leaving Venezuela that China wants has to go to China. That's the destination, the car fuel tanks inside mainland China. You planning on building a pipeline clear to China from Africa next?

Second, Africa is full of oil. Good lord, how do you start a thread on this and not know that the only reason China is even involved in Africa now is because of its natural resources, including oil, which China is absolutely desperate for?

Third, speed of moving oil in a pipeline is immaterial when cost plays comes into play. Building and maintaining a pipeline is slow and costly, much more costly than simply loading said oil into an oil tanker and sailing it to China (which is the cheapest way of moving oil and its ultimate destination).

Fourth, nothing you wrote is basic. Don't try to play the smart guy and that everyone who doesn't understand the practicality of a trans Venezuela-Africa oil pipeline isn't smart enough to understand. You have demonstrated in this thread you have no idea at all about the basics of economics, logistics, engineering. Don't lecture and insult others on things its absolutely clear you don't understand in the slightest.

Let's say you're a person who craves cheeseburgers. You have an option of buying burgers from McDonalds and Burger King, which are located on the other side of town. The destination for any burgers purchased is your stomach. To make eating burgers easier, would you try to connect each burger joint to one another? Or to your house?
Any idea how much has China invested in Gwadar port in Pakistan? And to what end?

Or, in Kyaukpyu in Burma?
 

Naomasa298

Forum Staff
Apr 2010
31,553
T'Republic of Yorkshire
#13
How many transocean pipelines are there?

And why would you waste vast amounts of money building a pipeline across the ocean to Africa when I'm sure any west coast South American country would be happy to receive Chinese money? Or when it's far simpler to buy Russian, Iranian or Nigerian oil?
 
Aug 2014
3,811
Australia
#14
Any idea how much has China invested in Gwadar port in Pakistan? And to what end?

Or, in Kyaukpyu in Burma?
The "end" is to acquire foreign-owned infrastructure. The whole point of the Belt and Roads Initiative is to load up the state up with so much debt that it can't make repayments. When they default the PRC takes the port. They have already done it in Sri Lanka.
Sri Lanka, Struggling With Debt, Hands a Major Port to China
 
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Oct 2012
458
#15
Oil through a pipeline moves wayyy faster than tankers. Having a pipeline in Africa is as good as having an oilfield in Africa. Pretty basic, one would have thought.
Why would it be better to have an oilfield in Africa than having an oilfield in Venezuela. What are the basics in that.
 
Jul 2012
2,855
Dhaka
#16
The "end" is to acquire foreign-owned infrastructure. The whole point of the Belt and Roads Initiative is to load up the state up with so much debt that it can't make repayments. When they default the PRC takes the port. They have already done it in Sri Lanka.
Sri Lanka, Struggling With Debt, Hands a Major Port to China
Right, but this wasn't the angle I was referring to, though.

Main purpose of both Gwadar and Kyaukpyu ports is to receive oil. Oil pipelines from China are being laid up to both ports. It currently takes 40-45 days for tankers from Persian Gulf to reach China. When Gwadar port becomes operational, the shipping time would be cut down to 5-7 days.
 
Jul 2012
2,855
Dhaka
#17
How many transocean pipelines are there?

And why would you waste vast amounts of money building a pipeline across the ocean to Africa when I'm sure any west coast South American country would be happy to receive Chinese money? Or when it's far simpler to buy Russian, Iranian or Nigerian oil?
Cut down on shipping time on Trans-Pacific crossing.

China doesn't have full control over them; e.g. Nigerian oilfields are operated by Shell. Their supply from Middle East can be blocked by the US at will.

If they have learned anything from history, they should try to avoid the scenario where the US forced Imperial Japan to declare war by cutting down their oil supply.
 
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Jul 2016
8,174
USA
#19
Tankers from Venezuela have to pass through Panama. There's a dimension restriction for vessels. They can't have it fast enough.
So oil from Venezuela that gets loaded up in the Caribbean Sea is too slow to get to China because it has to pass through the Panama Canal, a whopping 600 miles away, before heading to the Pacific and the open ocean to sail west to China, so your answer is constructing a 3,000 mile pipeline to Africa?

By chance, what is your profession? I'm curious what level of problem solving you deal with on a daily basis.
 

Naomasa298

Forum Staff
Apr 2010
31,553
T'Republic of Yorkshire
#20
Tankers from Venezuela have to pass through Panama. There's a dimension restriction for vessels. They can't have it fast enough.
Cut down on shipping time on Trans-Pacific crossing.
Compared to pumping to Western Sahara and shipping it from there?

China would fully control a pipeline crossing the Atlantic anyway. How much more vulnerable could you get than a pipeline in a politically unstable country crossing thousands of miles of ocean which could be ruptured by sea quakes are easily sabotaged, compared to simply pumping it from Russia or Libya or Iran or any number of other countries who are no friends of China's enemies.
 

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