- Jan 2017
Will Poland return the Prussian and German territories , granted to her by the Soviets ?
.I mean traditional drama
- I see - but why did you decide to address this remark to me, and not to Maribrat? If you look again at my controversy with him, which you didn’t like so much, you will see that it’s not me, but he constantly leads different topics to such offtopic. And I even made him a remark for that. Address him - and I will try not to respond to his provocations next time.You and the other guy aren't the first Russian/Ukraine nationalists to come to Historum to fight a war of words and non-stop nationalistic propaganda
Surprisingly, neither Overley nor other Western historians have yet understood what Russia offered at these negotiations. In fact, she offered of England and France to sign a new version of the Munich Treaty - not with Germany, but with Russia. In the summer of 1939 Russia had no common border with Germany. And the major point of the Russian proposal was to send the Russian army into Poland.Richard Overly's Russia's War discusses the diplomatic attempts by the USSR to create a military alliance with British and French just after Czechoslovakia, to more effectively deter Germany with a giant ground force staged on their western and eastern borders, but UK and French representatives did not have any authority to make decisions, only talk, were uncommitted, so Stalin bailed and then took up German offer for economic talks which led to non aggression talks.
- Not influenced? I can say that Russian chauvinists were quite influential in Russia under Yeltsin. The war in Chechnya and the decisions of the Russian parliament on the Crimea in the 1990s illustrate this. Russian chauvinists were strong enough to bring their nominee Putin to powerWritten in 1997, so before Putin came to power, so not influenced by Russian national apologists.
Well there was no reason to really think he changed his mind, especially seeing his expansionist tendencies. Hitler had the same political ideology he did.- Hitler wrote about this in his Mine Kampf a quarter of a century before the start of the WWII. He wrote about this when he was imprisoned in a German prison and did not even guess that he would become the German chancellor and its führer.
I am not sure that he diligently put all his ideas of 1924 into life when he headed a large country. The role of the head of state for the one who occupied this post sets new priorities and goals. It's unavoidable.
As for the living space in Russia in 1941, no one explained to me why there is not a word about this both in the Barbarossa Plan and in the main document on the arrangement of the occupied territories of the Soviet Union - in the Rosenberg Plan. Its compilers did not find any benefit in Russian territories - if we talk about the territory of the RSFSR.
The Barbarossa Plan is essentially a plan to eliminate Russia as a major military threat to Germany. And nothing more.
And the Rosenberg plan is a plan for the arrangement of the hostile territories which Soviet Russia itself seized and annexed in 1918-1920 and in 1939. That is, it was about the redistribution of foreign lands between the two bandits.
Russia itself, as an area for the settlement of the German population according to by the Rosenberg plan was not interesting for the Germans.
I analyze the events and situation of 1939-1942 and study German documents, and I see that there were no signs of the movement of German settlers to Ukraine, the Baltic States and Poland. No sign. Maybe someone would find signs of this, then let him be voiced here. Old Ukrainians did not confirm this either, as they remember those years. I talked with many of them about the German and Russian occupation and they told a lot of things.You and every other Historum member wanting to debate this need to accept that Hitler wasn't the one who came up with lebensraum, the Nazis were far far far from the only ones promoting it.
Oh give it a rest. You're seriously suggesting that Richard Overly was duped in his writings about Russia in WW2. Because of Yeltsin?- Not influenced? I can say that Russian chauvinists were quite influential in Russia under Yeltsin. The war in Chechnya and the decisions of the Russian parliament on the Crimea in the 1990s illustrate this. Russian chauvinists were strong enough to bring their nominee Putin to power
I did not read the works of Overly and I can not judge whether he was duped by the Russians in his works or not. And why Yeltsin? Under Yeltsin, under Putin, and long before them the whole Russian team systematically duped the Russians and the whole world of the WWII and Russia in it.Oh give it a rest. You're seriously suggesting that Richard Overly was duped in his writings about Russia in WW2. Because of Yeltsin?
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