Was Battle of 10 kings a real battle at all ?

Aupmanyav

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Jun 2014
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#42
Neo Vedics don't consider Puranic stories of Ramayana and Mahabharata as a real battle and see them as made up story or epic. But can't we use same Judgement for Battle of 10 kings as well ? As far as I know we don't have any proof to prove that there was a battle as stated in book 7 of Rigveda beside that book.
Puranas have more hyperbole than Vedas, but IMHO, Battle of Ten Kings seems like a historical event. It may just have been a raid by a conglomerate of some hill tribes against a settled population (fortunately thwarted by floods in River Ravi).

All Gods are mentioned as 'asuras' (meaning mighty, even Vritra) except Lord Vishnu. There is no confusion in RigVeda about 'asura'. That happened in later times.

Monier-Williams:
-- asura mfn. (2. %{as} Un2.) , spiritual , incorporeal , divine RV. AV. VS. ; m. a spirit , good spirit , supreme spirit (said of Varun2a) RV. VS. ; the chief of the evil spirits RV. ii , 30 , 4 and vii , 99 , 5 ; an evil spirit , demon , ghost , opponent of the gods RV. viii , 96 , 9 ; x AV. &c. [these Asuras are often regarded as the children of Diti by Kas3yapa see %{daitya} ; as such they are demons of the first order in perpetual hostility with the gods , and must not be confounded with the Ra1kshasas or imps who animate dead bodies and disturb sacrifices] ; a N. of Ra1hu VarBr2S. &c. ; the sun L. ; a cloud Naigh. (cf. RV. v , 83 , 6) ; (%{As}) m. pl.N. of a warrior-tribe , (g. %{parzv-Adi} , q.v.) ; of a Vedic school ; (%{A}) f. night L. ; a zodiacal sign L. ; (%{I}) f. a female demon , the wife of an Asura , KaushBr. (cf. %{AsurI} and %{mahA7surI}) ; the plant Sinapis Ramosa Roxb. L. [In later Sanskr2it %{sura} has been formed from %{asura} , as %{sita} from %{asita} q.v.]
-- Asura 1 mf(%{I})n. (fr. %{asura}) , spiritual , divine RV. VS. AV. ; belonging or devoted to evil spirits ; belonging or relating to the Asuras RV. AV. VS. Ka1tyS3r. Prab. Das3. &c. ; infernal , demoniacal ; m. an Asura or demon AV. AitBr. Pa1n2. ; a form of marriage (in which the bridegroom purchases the bride from her father and paternal kinsmen) A1s3vGr2. i , 6 , 6 Mn. iii , 31 (cf. %{vivAha}) ; (%{As}) m. pl. the stars of the southern hemisphere Su1ryas. &c. ; a prince of the warrior-tribe Asura Pa1n2. ; (%{I}) f. a female demon ; a division of medicine (surgery , curing by cutting with instruments , applying the actual cautery) ; N. of the plant Sinapis Ramosa L. ; the urethra BhP. ; (%{am}) n. blood ; black salt L. 5 Asura 2 mfn. belonging to A1suri (below).

Some of these tribes could have been from outside India, Also some of the tribes which we now take as part of Indo-Aryans could have been living on the margins at that time, Bhrigus, Matsya, etc.
Alinas: One of the tribes defeated by Sudas at the Dasarajna, and it was suggested that they lived to the north-east of Nuristan, because the land was mentioned by the Chinese pilgrim Xuanzang.
Bhalanas: Fought against Sudas in the Dasarajna battle. Some scholars have argued that the Bhalanas lived in the Bolan Pass area.
Druhyus: Some align them with the Gandhari (RV I 1.126.7).
Parsu: The Parśu have been connected by some with the ancient Persians.
Panis: Also the name of a class of demons; later associated with the Scythians.
Other tribes: Turvasas (people with home in Tur, Turkistan?), Shivas, Visanins, Anavas (7.18.14), Ajas, Sigrus (7.18.19) and the '21 men of both Vaikarna tribes (Kabul ?) who were without a king', fighting just for booty. :)
 
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Aupmanyav

Ad Honorem
Jun 2014
5,204
New Delhi, India
#43
The split between Indian and Iranian Aryans took place in Turan where Zoroaster was born. By that time many Aryans were already in India. That is why RigVeda does not mention the split which is so prominent in Avesta.