Was Hercules real?

Aupmanyav

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Jun 2014
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Anyway, I think I *slight* disagree with you since I don’t think that this mythical characters need necessarily to be (totally) fictional. I think that in all the mythical characters there is a bottom of veracity, of inspiration… of something… even if sometimes that deep “true” is so buried that is quite difficult to tell the difference between the echoes of the reality and the fiction.
The truth is that it is mythologization of a physical phenomenon, the disappearance of sun for the Arctic night for a long period. Someone or some divine help was needed to rescue the sun or the rays of the sun or the cows (as is mentioned in various IE mythologies). It would be Indra for the Vedic Aryans, Thraetona for Zoroastriasn, Herakles for Greek, Thor for Germans, Balder for Norse, Cuchulain for the Irish and Lug for the Celts, etc.
 

Tulius

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May 2016
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The truth is that it is mythologization of a physical phenomenon, the disappearance of sun for the Arctic night for a long period. Someone or some divine help was needed to rescue the sun or the rays of the sun or the cows (as is mentioned in various IE mythologies). It would be Indra for the Vedic Aryans, Thraetona for Zoroastriasn, Herakles for Greek, Thor for Germans, Balder for Norse, Cuchulain for the Irish and Lug for the Celts, etc.
Maybe. That is a possibility. A theory. Far from a certainty. But even if correct, it is much more than that. There is a narrative with some consistency. In his 12 works there are geographic references to what was the Greek world. Even if the character was fictionalized, those references were true for the Greeks.
 

Aupmanyav

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Jun 2014
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New Delhi, India
Or damsels, like Proserpine abducted by Pluto for the Greek, and in mytholgies of Irish, Celts, Wales, Germany, Norse, etc. The greenery disappeared for a period and Hera lamented.
:) There is no damsel involved for Zoroastrians and Vedic Aryans, there it is a snake.
 
Sep 2014
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Texas
Or damsels, like Proserpine abducted by Pluto for the Greek, and in mytholgies of Irish, Celts, Wales, Germany, Norse, etc. The greenery disappeared for a period and Hera lamented.
:) There is no damsel involved for Zoroastrians and Vedic Aryans, there it is a snake.
Zoroasterism came into being some time after 700 BC. In it's purest form it is a monotheistic religion, but the people refused to give up their favorites. So Mithra is Midir is Modi (Thor's son). There is even a multiheaded dog in Persian myth. Anahita is a survivor of their prezoroaster days. She is the sister bride of Mithra's....more Bridget than Athena.
In Zoroasterism there is good and bad....the god of vegetation fights the god of drought (white horse battles black horse) Even Ahura Mazda has his counter part which really influenced Christianity (God fights Satan).

Zoroasterism actually gave us the fiery pit of hell. The good passed through it unharmed, the bad were devoured....and it's a dog friendly religion. You don't want to hurt one.
 

specul8

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Oct 2016
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Australia
Lets hope he was not real. For if he was, he was an abject failure ! And, the fact that he became somewhat of a 'hero' to some people just shows the mess most people are in.

He is the conquerer, the fighter, the winner. he uses force and strength to smash and change without understanding. he does the opposite of what is required for the candidate in initiation, whether in the western mysteries or shamanism of any type. he even failed in the series of initiations he was to undertake. It was somewhat doomed from the beginning, his initiators knowing he was not worthy of the mysteries in the first place * ... but again - his position.

Hercules is an example, mythologically of what NOT TO DO . He achieves by altering, going against, stealing and killing .

But most miss this, as we mostly all do , nowadays, what we not supposed to do. So he has become an aberrant hero.

It even all started out by him killing his own wife and children ! My God ... that should be a hint right at the beginning ! Oh , he was mad and it was Hera's fault you might say . BS!

Like when a God kills his beloved out of sheer jealously but blames the arrow, the bow, his own arm ... his hand , anything but himself and his own unregulated emotions !

* https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/20191838.pdf?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

Some people get recognition and levels of 'award' due to their relatives and position and not any real worth in the field .

'Honorary Degree' .


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Sep 2014
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Texas
Lets hope he was not real. For if he was, he was an abject failure ! And, the fact that he became somewhat of a 'hero' to some people just shows the mess most people are in.

He is the conquerer, the fighter, the winner. he uses force and strength to smash and change without understanding. he does the opposite of what is required for the candidate in initiation, whether in the western mysteries or shamanism of any type. he even failed in the series of initiations he was to undertake. It was somewhat doomed from the beginning, his initiators knowing he was not worthy of the mysteries in the first place * ... but again - his position.

Hercules is an example, mythologically of what NOT TO DO . He achieves by altering, going against, stealing and killing .

But most miss this, as we mostly all do , nowadays, what we not supposed to do. So he has become an aberrant hero.

It even all started out by him killing his own wife and children ! My God ... that should be a hint right at the beginning ! Oh , he was mad and it was Hera's fault you might say . BS!

Like when a God kills his beloved out of sheer jealously but blames the arrow, the bow, his own arm ... his hand , anything but himself and his own unregulated emotions !

* https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/20191838.pdf?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

Some people get recognition and levels of 'award' due to their relatives and position and not any real worth in the field .

'Honorary Degree' .


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Since George Bush has done more to stem the spread of AIDS in Africa spending more than any president before or after are you suggesting the lives of women and children in Africa...the group he targeted for assistance...were not worth the 15 billion he spent?
 

specul8

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Oct 2016
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Australia
Since George Bush has done more to stem the spread of AIDS in Africa spending more than any president before or after are you suggesting the lives of women and children in Africa...the group he targeted for assistance...were not worth the 15 billion he spent?
No.
 

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