Was it a mistake for Russia to ally with France in the 1890s?

Was it a mistake for Russia to ally with France in the 1890s?

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Larrey

Ad Honorem
Sep 2011
5,005
#21
this only see the military aspect of an alliance , Russia would be and was a huge market for Germany
it was a perfect fit and would have ensured the continuous growth of Germany .
Neither the German court nor the German army was all that interested or understanding of such considerations.

It's a classic question if there would have been a war at all, had those kinds of things been everyone's primary concern.
 
May 2017
695
France
#24
It was very good for France and England,because if Russia stayed allied with Germany and Austria,we would have lost the war in 1915.As thought Delcassé,Russia had an extraordinary strategic deep which pemitted to fight during years,until the entrance of the USA in the conflict.
 

Frank81

Ad Honorem
Feb 2010
4,970
Canary Islands-Spain
#27
Military casualties fighting the Russians suffered by:

Germany: 1.7 million
Austria - Hungary: 4.3 million
Ottoman Empire: 300,000

Military casualties fighting other Allieds suffered by:

Germany: 5.7 million
Austria - Hungary: 900,000
Ottoman Empire: 400,000


Numbers vary a lot, for example, the casualties of Germany on the Eastern Front were probably higher, A-H and OE numbers are very incomplete, some accounts include POWs, other does not etc

But overall, the Central Powers suffered an almost equivalent amount of casualties fighting singely Russia than the rest of Allied countries combined, or maybe 40% Russia, 60% others
 

Frank81

Ad Honorem
Feb 2010
4,970
Canary Islands-Spain
#28
Following the treaty , French investors poured a river of money into Russian bonds both public and private
Credit Lyonnais was particularly active promoting the "emprunts Russes" with the enthusiastic blessing of the government
it came a cropper when the bolsheviks repudiated any repayment of czarist borrowing and all the money was lost
the two biggest loosers were France and Britain which might partly explain their endeavor to see the fall of the Soviet regime

eventually many decades later , some agreement was signed to allow the soviets to trade normally on the financial markets again
I have to dig on this, but I remember that at some point Russia became the second destiny of French investments, maybe I'm wrong but there's something about that

The French paid specially for railways (another research is needed in this regard), and certainly... The money was lost...
 
May 2015
1,018
The Netherlands
#29
Russia was thoroughly shafted by Austria during the Crimean war
their name was dirt in Moscow
the Russia Prussia relations were great under Bismark but kaiser Wilhelm II had other idea
he became increasingly hostile to Russia wich pretty much had no choice but to find allies
Britain was too standoffish
Italy too weak
so that was that
The suggestion that Russia was somehow forced to ally with France is false. Wilhem II was not hostile towards Russia and Germany kept trying to court Russia in the early 20th Century. Ultimately the expansionist and pan-Slav agenda prevailed in St. Petersburg.

It was very good for France and England,because if Russia stayed allied with Germany and Austria,we would have lost the war in 1915.As thought Delcassé,Russia had an extraordinary strategic deep which pemitted to fight during years,until the entrance of the USA in the conflict.
If Russia stayed allied with Germany and Austria, there wouldn't have been a war in 1915 to begin with.
 
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Frank81

Ad Honorem
Feb 2010
4,970
Canary Islands-Spain
#30
The suggestion that Russia was somehow forced to ally with France is false. Wilhem II was not hostile towards Russia and Germany kept trying to court Russia in the early 20th Century. Ultimately the expansionist and pan-Slav agenda prevailed in St. Petersburg.
I quoted Wilhelm II in page 2 on a very hostile manner against Russia, in 1889. That was just the beginning.
 

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