Was it ever realistically possible to re-Christianize North Africa after the reconquest of Spain was completed?

Futurist

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Was it ever realistically possible to re-Christianize North Africa after the reconquest of Spain was completed in 1492? What I'm thinking of here is having some European Christian power(s) conquer North Africa and gradually convert the population of North Africa to Christianity over the next several centuries.
 
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Both Portugal and Spain were making progress in that department before the discovery of America. I had an older thread about that. Of note is that some coastal parts of Morocco are still ruled by Spain, being mostly Spanish in culture. If Spain hadn't been distracted by the New world and endless wars on the European continent, they may have assimilated Morocco into southern Spain.
As for Algeria and beyond, doubtful. The Ottomans ruled them by this time and would contest any European rule. Morocco was very close to spain so it would be it bit much for them to take. The rest of North Africa would more difficult for any European power to take from the Ottomans at this time. Maybe if Spain put everything into conquering north Africa rather than other areas. This potentially could happen if they Hapsburgs didn't marry into the Spanish throne and they didn't discover the new world. But generally north Africa wouldn't be worth the cost of conquering it and fighting endless wars against the ottomans for hundreds of years.
 

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Both Portugal and Spain were making progress in that department before the discovery of America. I had an older thread about that. Of note is that some coastal parts of Morocco are still ruled by Spain, being mostly Spanish in culture. If Spain hadn't been distracted by the New world and endless wars on the European continent, they may have assimilated Morocco into southern Spain.
As for Algeria and beyond, doubtful. The Ottomans ruled them by this time and would contest any European rule. Morocco was very close to spain so it would be it bit much for them to take. The rest of North Africa would more difficult for any European power to take from the Ottomans at this time. Maybe if Spain put everything into conquering north Africa rather than other areas. This potentially could happen if they Hapsburgs didn't marry into the Spanish throne and they didn't discover the new world. But generally north Africa wouldn't be worth the cost of conquering it and fighting endless wars against the ottomans for hundreds of years.
France was able to conquer western North Africa within less than a century in real life.
 

kandal

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With the discovery of the Americas, and the successful voyage of Vasco de Gama, the attention of both Spain and Portugal turned elsewhere. Otherwise at least Morocco would be Christianized.

By the time France and Italy conquered North Africa, Europeans had long abandoned the idea of forced conversions. It would have been a good thing if North Africans were converted to Christianity. Those countries would be totally different places today.
 
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Futurist

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With the discovery of the Americas, and the successful voyage of Vasco de Gama, the attention of both Spain and Portugal turned elsewhere. Otherwise at least Morocco would be Christianized.

By the time France and Italy conquered North Africa, Europeans has long abandoned the idea of forced conversions. It would have been a good thing if North Africans were converted to Christianity. Those countries would be totally different places today.
If converting those countries to Christianity would have meant less homophobia, less misogyny, and less religious fundamentalism there today, then Yeah, it would have been great. However, not all Christian countries actually fit this description. For instance, Uganda is extremely homophobic even right now! :(
 

kandal

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If converting those countries to Christianity would have meant less homophobia, less misogyny, and less religious fundamentalism there today, then Yeah, it would have been great. However, not all Christian countries actually fit this description. For instance, Uganda is extremely homophobic even right now! :(
I think the culprits behind this Ugandan behavior is actually American Evangelical missionaries spreading their hate there.
 
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Tulius

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Portugal was on the wedge of conquering a good stake of Morocco (divided often between the kingdoms of Fez and Marrakesh) in the first two decades of the 16th century, during the kingdom of D. Manuel I, and after Vasco’s da Gama voyage.

A couple of badly mounted expeditions and the defeat of Mamora (1515) ended that perspective.

Naturally with the religious fervour of the Portuguese at the time, sooner or later, the conversions would have been relevant factor.
 
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If converting those countries to Christianity would have meant less homophobia, less misogyny, and less religious fundamentalism there today, then Yeah, it would have been great. However, not all Christian countries actually fit this description. For instance, Uganda is extremely homophobic even right now! :(
That isn't an issue with the religion itself, but with the culture of the society it is in (i.e. sub-Saharan Africa). Change the culture of the society, and the way they practise their religion would be vastly different (compare, for example, how Islam is practiced in a moderate, civilised country like Jordan to its neighbours in Iraq and Saudi Arabia). People tend to overestimate the affect of religion on people compared to culture, especially in the modern world.
 

Ighayere

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That isn't an issue with the religion itself, but with the culture of the society it is in (i.e. sub-Saharan Africa). Change the culture of the society, and the way they practise their religion would be vastly different (compare, for example, how Islam is practiced in a moderate, civilised country like Jordan to its neighbours in Iraq and Saudi Arabia). People tend to overestimate the affect of religion on people compared to culture, especially in the modern world.
Homophobia in Uganda has been promoted by Christian missionaries from the USA in recent years. Evangelical Christian missionaries from the USA have had a pretty big impact in Uganda.
 
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