Was life for the Bosniaks, Croats, and Slovenes better inside of Austria-Hungary or inside of Yugoslavia?

Futurist

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May 2014
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#31
This map still doesn't show Slovenes as being a majority on the coast north of Trieste, though. Devin-Nabrezina isn't actually Slovene-majority according to this map--and both Zgonik and Dolina don't actually touch the coast/sea.
 

Shtajerc

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Jul 2014
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#32
This map still doesn't show Slovenes as being a majority on the coast north of Trieste, though. Devin-Nabrezina isn't actually Slovene-majority according to this map--and both Zgonik and Dolina don't actually touch the coast/sea.
You have to consider the borders of the municipalities, how big centres like Triest influence the ethnic make up and the fact that a lot of the Istrian Italians we talked about earlier moving away, settled exactly here. In Triest and it's surrounding, lowering the overall percentage of Slovenes in the area.

The coast there is basically the Kras Plateau meeting the sea in the form of steap cliffs, because the plateau is composed of limestone. The whole Kras Plateau was settled by Slovenes since the times of the arrival of our ancestors in the 6th/7th century. Slovenes lived in the hills while Fruilians lived in the lowland. This linguistic and ethnic divide has barely changed until the times of the world wars and is still somewhat in tact, or at least a 100 years ago it still was.





 

Futurist

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#33
OK, I think that you've made your point here. If you're correct that Slovenes were genuinely either a majority or a plurality on the coastline north of Trieste, then Yes, that coastline probably should have been given to Yugoslavia after the end of WWII.
 
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#34
Was life for the Bosniaks, Croats, and Slovenes better inside of Austria-Hungary or inside of Yugoslavia?

I am asking this question because both Austria-Hungary and Yugoslavia were empires where none of these groups appear to have had a dominant position--as well as empires which ultimately collapsed and broke up.
I don't know much about general, but Austria-Hungary was essentially the last time Croatia had a competent administration. Most land books etc. hail from the era of Austria-Hungary, and almost all of our successful firms/corporations/brands are also from the time of Austria-Hungary (even if renamed several times).
 
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#38
@Shtajerc: Out of curiosity--did you prefer the pre-WWI situations where all Slovenes were united inside of A-H or the post-WWI situation where the Slovene nation was divided into two parts (with about a third of them going to Italy and about two-thirds of them going to Yugoslavia)?
 
#39
Well when democracy started in Austro-Hungary in the second half of 19. century Slovenes were demanding bigger autonomy and also achieved something. Yet they had also problems with German and Hungarian nationalism.

In kingdom of Yugoslavia there were bigger national conflicts than previos under Austria and in some periods democracy was evem abolished by the king. Later under communist Yugoslavia all the public life was under the rule of one party the communists which mismanaged also economy.

Slovenes under Italy and fascism after WW1 were subjected to policy of forced Italianization and all their societies established under Austria were banned.
 
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Well when democracy started in Austro-Hungary in the second half of 19. century Slovenes were demanding bigger autonomy and also achieved something. Yet they had also problems with German and Hungarian nationalism.

In kingdom of Yugoslavia there were bigger national conflicts than previos under Austria and in some periods democracy was evem abolished by the king. Later under communist Yugoslavia all the public life was under the rule of one party the communists which mismanaged also economy.

Slovenes under Italy and fascism after WW1 were subjected to policy of forced Italianization and all their societies established under Austria were banned.
An advantage for Slovenes in living under A-H rule was that their community was united within one country, no? This wasn't true for the Slovenes in interwar Yugoslavia.