Was the French revolution the most important event in human history?

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Nationalism? 🤷‍♂️
No. Nationalism (in embrional stage) existed before the revolution.
There is nothing wrong with Western liberal/civic type of nationalsm. The big problem was the ethnic nationalism developed on German soil, and was adopted by Slavic countries and Slavic intelligentsia from Germans.

Read about it: Civic nationalism - Wikipedia
Even J.F.K. or Barack Obama can fit easily in this criteria.
 
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No. Nationalism (in embrional stage) existed before the revolution.
There is nothing wrong with Western liberal/civic type of nationalsm. The big problem was the ethnic nationalism developed on German soil, and was adopted by Slavic countries and Slavic intelligentsia from Germans.

Read about it: Civic nationalism - Wikipedia
Even J.F.K. or Barack Obama can fit easily in this criteria.
Please identify these places.

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Nevermind, I am arguing with someone who thinks that the French Revolution changed nothing intellectually, why am I doing this? It's ludicrous
 
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martin76

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No. Nationalism (in embrional stage) existed before the revolution.
There is nothing wrong with Western liberal/civic type of nationalsm. The big problem was the ethnic nationalism developed on German soil, and was adopted by Slavic countries and Slavic intelligentsia from Germans.

Read about it: Civic nationalism - Wikipedia
Even J.F.K. or Barack Obama can fit easily in this criteria.
A kind of Proto-Nationalism maybe yes... from late 15th Century.. but Nationalism is very "recent" invention.... from 19th Century at best..by other side.. German Nationalism is not the only based on "ethnicity" but also in Russia, Poland, Balkan... the Magyar nationalism and Baltic one....
 
Jan 2020
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A kind of Proto-Nationalism maybe yes... from late 15th Century.. but Nationalism is very "recent" invention.... from 19th Century at best..by other side.. German Nationalism is not the only based on "ethnicity" but also in Russia, Poland, Balkan... the Magyar nationalism and Baltic one....
For better understaanding you can read this: 3 ‘Hungarus Consciousness’ in the Age of Early Nationalism

It was maybe the earliest form of nationalism (even in the modern sense) but it did not tolerate any ethnic nationalism or racialism, because it was a direct poison for it.
 
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A kind of Proto-Nationalism maybe yes... from late 15th Century.. but Nationalism is very "recent" invention.... from 19th Century at best..by other side.. German Nationalism is not the only based on "ethnicity" but also in Russia, Poland, Balkan... the Magyar nationalism and Baltic one....
Sorry Mr. Martin it was just a preview.
Here is the longer version in the book: Latin at the Crossroads of Identity
 
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martin76

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Sorry Mr. Martin it was just a preview.
Here is the longer version in the book: Latin at the Crossroads of Identity

I´ve seen a watch and it is very intereseting book. Thanks. I think magyar nationalism also it was an invention in 19th Century...and by other side... I can´t see any "link" or "connection" between Magyars (Bela, Arpád etc) and the modern Hungarians...I spent around 18 months in Hungary and I remember Kecskemés (1896, the one thousand).... well, my opinion... modern hungarians are germans and slavonic people adopted "magyar" or "hungarian" language.... but not exactly "Magyar"...
In any case, sorry this off-topic.. and thanks agains for the link.
 
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You can read how the ethnic nationalism step-by-step killed this very very deep rooted ancient and strong "in many sense internationalist , but yet...still a very early nationalist type" identity tradition in Kingdom of Hungary. Practically poisoned it, which led to stupid ethnic conflicts in the area.
 
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I´ve seen a watch and it is very intereseting book. Thanks. I think magyar nationalism also it was an invention in 19th Century...and by other side... I can´t see any "link" or "connection" between Magyars (Bela, Arpád etc) and the modern Hungarians...I spent around 18 months in Hungary and I remember Kecskemés (1896, the one thousand).... well, my opinion... modern hungarians are germans and slavonic people adopted "magyar" or "hungarian" language.... but not exactly "Magyar"...
In any case, sorry this off-topic.. and thanks agains for the link.
Kecskemét is part of Cumania (Kunság) named after turkic tribe of cumans, they don't look very Hungarian. Kunság - Wikipedia
Kecskemét Hungarians are neo-cumans, they look most eastern in Hungary, they look like a bit anthropologically eastern a bit asiatic anthropologically, I can descpribe them so eastern looking as the many Slavic nations and Romanians. They have that asiatic vibe like the Eastern European nations...
In the other parts o the country are more western (non-slavic) looking people live.

Their traditional material culture is also very different from Central European Hungarian, it is more similar if you grab a province from somewhere an eastern slavic or balkanic land and place it into Hungary. They are a cultural and anthropological Island in this country.
 
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The 18th ceentury was just a revival of Hungarian nationalsim, (Hungarian national consciousness ) so, the modern nationalism appeared in Hungary earlier, the French effect, and Hungarian Freemasonry (even illuminati) were just an ideological refresh of the old way of thinking.
Maybe modern nationalism was a new French invention for most other Europeans, but not for Hungarians.