Was the manufacture/producing of French "nation" the biggest (politically ordered and controlled) cultural genocide in modern European history?

Nov 2017
866
Győr
#1
Hi!
During the Great French Revolution roughly 20% of the population spoke the French language (the language of Île-de-France) as mothertongue.
Even in 1870, France was a similar-degree multi-ethnic state as Hungary, only 50% of the population of France spoke the French language as mothertongue. The other half of the population spoke Occitan, Catalan, Corsican, Alsatian, West Flemish, Lorraine Franconian, Gallo, Picard or Ch’timi and Arpitan etc... Many minority languages were closer to Spanish languages or Italian language than to French) French governments banned minority language schools ,minority language newspapers minority theaters. They banned the usage of minority languages in offices , public administration, and judiciary procedures. The ratio of French mothertongue increased from 50% to 91% during the 1870-1910 period!!! It was one of the biggest (politically ordered) cultural genocides of modern European history.
 
Nov 2010
1,269
Bordeaux
#2
Looks like you are only trying to emphasize and confirm some kind of personal prejudices. So what would be the historical relevance of your OP?

Plus the fact that "multi-ethnic" and "minority" are concepts which do not apply to France, even though one might say that today's cultural colonisation of minds is trying to break into French society and impose them insidiously.

And no, it was not a cultural "genocide". It was an attempt to unify a nation through language and not ethnicity, as that concept is irrelevant to French principles, culture and society.
 

Rodger

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Jun 2014
5,847
US
#3
The Prussian/Germans did the same thing to the Poles, as did the Russians. Americans and Canadians treated North American Native Americans even worse than just limiting their culture. I would imagine there were restrictions in other places in South America, Asia and Africa, although I am not knowledgeable to post regarding this. Oh, did I mention the ax the Irish still grind against the British? Some of my mother's ancestors, Ulster Irish or Scots-Irish didn't probably move from Scotland to Ireland at the invite of the Irish. The Age of Imperialism is full of such actions. Of course, if you go back further into history, the restrictions upon other people by the victors is even more pronounced (think Romans, Franks, Ottomans, etc., etc).
 

Frank81

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Feb 2010
5,004
Canary Islands-Spain
#4
It was a common process through Europe. In Italy, what we known as modern Italian was artificially developed from the cult Italian derivated from Tuscany. In the rest of the country, people spoke local "dialects" which were actually languages directly coming from Latin. These languages were cornered and today most of them are functionally extinct.

In Spain, the Spanish nation traits were identified with those of Castile (a process starting in the 17th century), and so many local cultural traits were challenged or prosecuted
 
Nov 2018
240
Denmark
#5
The same happened in Denmark, standard Danish replaced the languages and dialects that existed. Now if people speak a dialect it sounds more like accents.

As late as the early seventies, the teachers in the Tønder municipal school banned us children from talking the local dialect spoken on the border with Germany.

Nowadays schools provide language lessons in Southern Jutland dialect

I'm afraid it's too late, they missed that chance
 
Nov 2017
866
Győr
#8
Is it genocide if no one is killed?

Cultural homogenization would be a more accurate way of describing this fairly common process.
Yes, please check the definition of Raphael Lemkin, who coined the word: "genocide". Erasing an ethnic group, an ethnic group can be erased from the Earth by forced cultural and linguistic change during some generation, even without any massacres.
 

robto

Ad Honorem
Jun 2014
5,988
Lisbon, Portugal
#9
The same thing happened in Japan during the Meiji period. Standard Japanese was something that was only spoken in the Kanto region, other regions spoke unintelligible dialects that by modern standards could be described as languages of their own.
The same thing happened in Ataturk's Turkey and modern day Israel.
 
Nov 2017
866
Győr
#10
The same thing happened in Japan during the Meiji period. Standard Japanese was something that was only spoken in the Kanto region, other regions spoke unintelligible dialects that by modern standards could be described as languages of their own.
The same thing happened in Ataturk's Turkey and modern day Israel.
No-no no! Wrong example!
The languages in France were not dialects, because of the lack of mutual intelligibility among these very different languages. Read about it: Mutual intelligibility - Wikipedia
 

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