Was the manufacture/producing of French "nation" the biggest (politically ordered and controlled) cultural genocide in modern European history?

Nov 2017
866
Győr
#21
English is non inflected low west germanic. It is a national standard of a dialect. As it dutch. Standard German on the otherhand is not a national standard based on Low German but it dominated, but not exclusively by High German.

Maybe if Hungarian wasn't a uralic language isolated in central europe, you'd have a better understanding of what linguists mean when they talk about dialect continuums.
You speak about the fourt level (low German) of classification. So I was not wrong, because I mentioned their similarities only until the third level(West Germanic). However the Gallo-Romance is only third level category like the West Germanic category.
 
Nov 2017
866
Győr
#22
English is non inflected low west germanic. It is a national standard of a dialect. As it dutch. Standard German on the otherhand is not a national standard based on Low German but it dominated, but not exclusively by High German.

Maybe if Hungarian wasn't a uralic language isolated in central europe, you'd have a better understanding of what linguists mean when they talk about dialect continuums.
Uralic is similar to Indo-European in a sence that it is a linguistic superfamily. For example the "similarity" and distance between Hungarian and Samoyedic is similar to the Bengali language and English. One of its sub-branch is Finno-Ugric and its subdivision is Ugric, than you arrive to Hungarian language. After the Uralic migrations the Finno-ugric languages developed in the URal-Baltic Sea region, they are much older in Europe than the IE languages.
 
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authun

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Aug 2011
5,118
#24
You speak about the fourt level (low German) of classification. So I was not wrong, because I mentioned their similarities only until the third level(West Germanic). However the Gallo-Romance is only third level category like the West Germanic category.
Why don't you try reading with an intent to learn and understand rather than with the intent of confirming your own prejudices? Several people on this forum have pointed out that you pluck phrases from wikipedia, without understanding the context, which often contradicts what you claim. I don't speak of a 4th level and have never mentioned a 3rd level, these are confusions of your own making. Rather, language is the evolution of dialects from a common earlier language. The most common model for this is the divergent branching tree model but some linguists, as in Garrett below, arguing for a convergent model. Standardisation to a national language is something all nations have done. Even the West Saxon standard dominates Old English over others like Mercian or Northumbrian. It's a political process.

Convergence in the Formation of Indo-European Subgroups: Phylogeny and Chronology
 
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sparky

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Jan 2017
4,383
Sydney
#25
the birth of French conciousness can be dated at the end of the one hundred year war ,
beside local dialect ,local units and currencies , the identification to a French Nation was and is deep and abiding
you confuse one's pays with one's nation .
Yorkshiremen love their pays but identifies themselves as British , there is no contradiction or confusion
 
Nov 2017
866
Győr
#26
the birth of French conciousness can be dated at the end of the one hundred year war ,
beside local dialect ,local units and currencies , the identification to a French Nation was and is deep and abiding
you confuse one's pays with one's nation .
Yorkshiremen love their pays but identifies themselves as British , there is no contradiction or confusion
The French nation was born during the revolution. If you deny that, than you are a so-called revisionist historian (in a sense of falsification of the past). Maybe you confused it with patriotism, which is a much older term, and appeared in France very very late: during the 100 years war. About the languages in France: They were dialects in similar degree as the English German and Dutch languages are "dialects" of each other.
 
Oct 2013
14,075
Europix
#27
Let's go back some days:

1. You are not a linguist.
2. You do not know French.
3. You admire an inexistent scholarly consensus.
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4. You don't check Your own sources (the very few moments You provide any)
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5. You re-interpret or take only the parts of a definition, of a source, those fitting Your pre-established conviction. (Now You brought the "genocide" for a linguistic evolution; ofcourse, French, not any other, as it seems You have something with French).

fárosztó, Uram! (*)

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(* Tiresome, Sir)
 
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authun

Ad Honorem
Aug 2011
5,118
#28
The French nation was born during the revolution. If you deny that, than you are a so-called revisionist historian (in a sense of falsification of the past).
The Carpetian dynasty are the first to adopt the title 'King of France'. Louis X also referred to it as a country in 1315, 'France Means Freedom'.
 
Nov 2017
866
Győr
#30
Let's go back some days:

1. You are not a linguist.
2. You do not know French.
3. You admire an inexistent scholarly consensus.
+
4. You don't check Your own sources (the very few moments You provide any)
+
5. You re-interpret or take only the parts of a definition, of a source, those fitting Your pre-established conviction. (Now You brought the "genocide" for a linguistic evolution; ofcourse, French, not any other, as it seems You have something with French).

fárosztó, Uram! (*)

____________
(* Tiresome, Sir)
1st. You are not a linguist either, but your pretend your opnion to be considered so accepted as an opinion linguist scholar. Despite you support a not accepted fantasy.

2nd. Does not matter, since I can read the opinion of linguistic scholars.

3rd I know: Everything is simply "nonexistent" for you what you don't want to hear/read.

4th Do you speak about yourself?

5th. Why do you call the 19th century politically planned and forced cultural genocide as "Linguistic evolution" ? Evolution..... what a cool fantasy name for a genocide.
 

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