Was the nordicism originated from the Germanic countries (Germany England etc) ?

Nov 2017
866
Győr
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Was nordicism (the ass-licking of light pigmentation: eye hair skin color) originated from the Germanic countries (Germany, England etc) ? Was it a dominant way of thinking in Germanic countries until the horrors of WW2?

I read in a book, that most people in these Germanic countries were great fans of nordicism and general racial superiority feeling (of course in various degrees) since the 19th century, and they often tried to support their theory with their higher economic scientific technological societal development over the Neo-romance speakers and Slavs. This views were overwhelmingly popular in the in Germanic countries until the WW2 events.

It is interesting, what/how did the Celtic origin (and looking) southern Germans, or Celtic looking west English people react , who are not so lighter pigmented than their Germanic looking compatriots?
 
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Dec 2015
277
The Balkans
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Back in the 19th century there were a lot of debates about racial superiority in Europe. Most people considered the Aryan (European) race superior so most of the argument was about which specific part of the European race was superior. The Slavs were more or less excluded so it was about the Germanic Protestant north vs the Romance/Latin Catholic south. Considering that at the time the northern countries were more developed and gave birth to industrialization, Nordicism and other forms of Germanic supremacism became popular.

It was a pretty widespread thing although it mostly wasn't as extreme as the Nazi version of it, but there was a lot of people who believed that the Germanic north of Europe was superior.

Many of those theories didn't revolve so much about the physical appearance and phenotype as in being Nordic looking but just about being Germanic ethnically. So being blonde and blue eyed wasn't actually such a big factor. Even in the Nazi Germany this was more just an aesthetic ideal rather than a serious political thing, which is why most Nazis actually weren't Nordic at all.
 
Jan 2018
1,609
China (Hong Kong SAR)
#3
I believe I may have an earlier root to source.

"Walter Rodney states, "The role of slavery in promoting racist prejudice and ideology has been carefully studied in certain situations, especially in the USA. The simple fact is that no people can enslave another for four centuries without coming out with a notion of superiority, and when the colour and other physical traits of those peoples were quite different it was inevitable that the prejudice should take a racist form."[108]

Eric Williams argued that "A racial twist [was] given to what is basically an economic phenomenon. Slavery was not born of racism: rather, racism was the consequence of slavery."[122]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade

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"Historically, racism was a major driving force behind the Transatlantic slave trade.[95] It was also a major force behind racial segregation, especially in the United States in the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries and South Africa under apartheid; 19th and 20th century racism in the Western world is particularly well documented and constitutes a reference point in studies and discourses about racism.[96] Racism has played a role in genocides such as the Armenian genocide, and The Holocaust, and colonial projects like the European colonization of the Americas, Africa, and Asia. Indigenous peoples have been –and are– often subject to racist attitudes. Practices and ideologies of racism are condemned by the United Nations in the Declaration of Human Rights.[97]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism
 
Jan 2018
1,609
China (Hong Kong SAR)
#4
"It was the Spaniards who gave the world the notion that an aristocrat's blood is not red but blue. The Spanish nobility started taking shape around the ninth century in classic military fashion, occupying land as warriors on horseback. They were to continue the process for more than five hundred years, clawing back sections of the peninsula from its Moorish occupiers, and a nobleman demonstrated his pedigree by holding up his sword arm to display the filigree of blue-blooded veins beneath his pale skin—proof that his birth had not been contaminated by the dark-skinned enemy. Sangre azul, blue blood, was thus a euphemism for being a white man—Spain's own particular reminder that the refined footsteps of the aristocracy through history carry the rather less refined spoor of racism.[122]"

Racist Spaniard of "pure" white skin.
 
Dec 2015
277
The Balkans
#6
That's different though, here we're talking about Nordicism specifically.

Also the term "white race" never had any meaning in Europe. The term used in the 19th century was Aryan, as used by the likes of Arthur de Gobineau and later Hitler.
 
Jan 2018
1,609
China (Hong Kong SAR)
#7
I didn't use the word race, just described it as "white superiority" as the posts would show. Superiority as distinguished by the skin color that is. Goes without saying, stereotypical European phenotypical features as well of course.
 
Jan 2018
1,609
China (Hong Kong SAR)
#8
If you didn't know, I'm trying to indicate a root mentality, you see, hence, preluding to blue eyes blond hair, as the OP framed the question in terms of origin.
 
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Jun 2013
745
Agraphur
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_race ?

It's pretty longstanding idea to identify the Nordics as the pinnacle, "purest" stock of the Aryan race, much I believe relating to the formation of the nations of Europe during the migration period, like how Goths, Anglosaxons etc originated in southern Scandinavia, northern Germany. + some Social Darwinist idea that harsh climate kept the population stock fitter.
Very little racial theory actually originated with Hitler or the Nazi's they just ran with what was then popular concepts.
Nordicism was quite popular in the US in the early 20th century. The eugenicist Madison Grant one of it's notable theorists, With the immigration act of 1924 as one of the most overt expression of Nordicism, whereby USA established quotas which encouraged immigration of Nordic blood, Scandinavians, Brits, and Germans, while restricting immigration from Southern and Eastern Europe. As President Coolidge said "Biological laws tell us that certain divergent people will not mix or blend. The Nordics propagate themselves successfully. With other races, the outcome shows deterioration on both sides".
Hitler actually toned down the overt Nordicism as Germany expanded southward. (According to their own racial experts, Germany was actually racially diverse, a mixed population of nordic, alpine, dinaric baltic people.) focusing more on the Völkish concept. Still Nordicism remained very popular with the Nazi intellectual elite, scientist, doctors etc. SS in particular focused on it and used the nordic phenotype as a benchmark for what was considered "good blood".

As for white superiority, something like 99% of the "subhumans" targeted for extermination by Great Germania would have been other white people. I always find it strange when people call Nazism a "white power" movement.
 
Dec 2015
277
The Balkans
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Very little racial theory actually originated with Hitler or the Nazi's they just ran with what was then popular concepts.
Their nationalistic and racial ideas were nothing new indeed. The only thing they added was fascist irrationalism and totalitarianism which is why their ideas appeared more extreme but other than their genocidal approach there wasn't anything particularly new.

They were heavily influenced by the ideas of Houston Stewart Chamberlain who was a big Germanophile and racist. His book The Foundations of the Nineteenth Century (1899) was very influential not only for Hitler and the Nazis but it was also liked by kaiser Wilhelm. Chamberlain was a huge fan of Hitler and saw him as a messiah of Germany even when Hitler was still a totally marginal political figure. If you study Chamberlain and his era, you will notice that his proto-Nazi ideas were very popular and mainstream way before Hitler and NSDAP.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston_Stewart_Chamberlain