Were Germanii a Persian tribe?

Jan 2014
46
Athens, Greece
#1
Does anyone have a good explanation for the following excerpt from Herodotus' Histories?

Now, a large number of tribes go to make up the Persian race, and not all of them were convened by Cyrus and persuaded to rebel from Median rule— only those on whom all the other tribes depended, namely the Pasargadae, the Maraphians, and the Maspians. The Pasargadae are the noblest of these peoples and include the clan of the Achaemenidae, which provides Persia with its kings. The other Persian tribes are as follows: the Panthialaei, Derusiaei, and Germanii (who all work the land), and the Daï, Mardians, Dropici, and Sagartians (who are nomadic). (Herodotus Ι – 125)
 
Jun 2013
2,361
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#5
Were Germanii a Persian tribe?
Well, Herodotus thought so. I guess you're wondering if they were Germans. Very unlikely. Nothing more than name similarity, IMHO.

Hmm maybye this goes along with the Aryan theory?
You mean the Indo-European theory of common origin of speakers of IE languages, which is normally accepted. 'Aryan' is a cultural term used only to label those who speak an Iranian language, worship Iranian gods, and generally follow an Iranian lifestyle.
 
Nov 2013
162
porcios
#6
Does anyone have a good explanation for the following excerpt from Herodotus' Histories?

Now, a large number of tribes go to make up the Persian race, and not all of them were convened by Cyrus and persuaded to rebel from Median rule— only those on whom all the other tribes depended, namely the Pasargadae, the Maraphians, and the Maspians. The Pasargadae are the noblest of these peoples and include the clan of the Achaemenidae, which provides Persia with its kings. The other Persian tribes are as follows: the Panthialaei, Derusiaei, and Germanii (who all work the land), and the Daï, Mardians, Dropici, and Sagartians (who are nomadic). (Herodotus Ι – 125)

Historical documents refer to Kerman as "Karmania" (in Ancient greek Καρμανία), "Kermania", "Germania", "Carmonia", and "Žermanya", which means bravery and combat. Geographers have recorded Kerman's ancient name as "Go'asheer" (Bardesheer).
 
May 2011
832
Bulgaria
#7
Until recently I though the name and toponym "German" ['german]/['dʒerman] in Bulgaria were somehow connected with Germany and the Germans.
Turns out it is a Thracian word meaning "hot spring" and/or a deity connected with "heat", "draught" or "rain", etc. which later moved on in local Slavic folklore.

So, this is another possible connection. Or yet another coincidence.
 
Jan 2016
2
Tehran
#9
Germanii were indeed a Persian tribe

Does anyone have a good explanation for the following excerpt from Herodotus' Histories?

Now, a large number of tribes go to make up the Persian race, and not all of them were convened by Cyrus and persuaded to rebel from Median rule— only those on whom all the other tribes depended, namely the Pasargadae, the Maraphians, and the Maspians. The Pasargadae are the noblest of these peoples and include the clan of the Achaemenidae, which provides Persia with its kings. The other Persian tribes are as follows: the Panthialaei, Derusiaei, and Germanii (who all work the land), and the Daï, Mardians, Dropici, and Sagartians (who are nomadic). (Herodotus Ι – 125)



Actually the fact that Herodotud knew the difference between different Indo-Iranian people is proven by his knowledge about the Scythians and Medes... ,

The Germanii clan were among the Persian tribes that Cyrus the great united against the Median confederation and they were Persian indeed, they still are , Germanii or Carmania is the ancient name of Kerman province and even today they are pure Persians .

Just let me remind you that Germanic languages are all derived from Persian Avestan and also the fact that Zoroaster composed the Gataha in Gothic language proves the fact that Gothic people were originally of Persian /Aryan stock .

This also explains Hitlers allance with Reza Shah (founder of the Pahlavi dynasty of Iran) , its said that even the re-naming of Persia into Iran( the land of Aryans) were suggested by Hitler himself .
 
Jan 2016
2
Tehran
#10
Persian? no. Iranian? yes.

Herodotus, like many other western historians, confuses the word ''Persian'' and ''Iranian''.


Excuse me but Mr.Safavid ( the turk) Persians were of Iranian stock, and just to remind you, Darius the great of Persia was the only one in ancient history to mentions his Aryan lineage in the Behistun inscription . " I'm a Persian , son of a Persian having Aryan lineage" .

Persians are an ancient Indo-Iranian teibe , they are even mentioned in Sanscrit and Greek mythology as Perseus the son of Zeus / Parsu ( the battle of ten kings) . Herodotus was fully aware of the lineage of the Persians and the difference between different Indo-iranian ppl, like Medes, Scythians...

So next time plz do a research before making ignorant remarks about Persian history & stick to your own Safavid ( turkic) history.