Were Paekche and Shilla vassals of Yamato?

Haakbus

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#71
There's no mention in the Samguk Sagi of a 366 raid but I did provide a list of the raids in it earlier in the thread which I'll repost and expand here:
14
208, 4m
232, 4m
233, 5m
287, 4m
292, 6m
294, summer
346
364, 4m
393, 5m
405, 4m
407, 3m
407, 6m
408, 2m
415, 8m
431, 4m
440
440, 6m
444, 4m
459, 4m
462, 5m
467, 6m
463, 2m
476, 6m
477, 5m (possibly withdrew before a fight)
482, 2m
486, 4m
497, 4m
500, 3m
731, 4m
 

Haakbus

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#72
@chornedsnorkack Yeah that's what I've been trying to say. There's no evidence of Shilla or Paekche actually accepting an inferior relationship, but some other courts interpreted the relationships that way either through propaganda (Koguryo, Yamato probably beginning in the late seventh century) or an honest mistake (mentions or two in Chinese records hundreds of years later).

As a side note there's no evidence of Paekche making Yamato a vassal.
 
Jun 2013
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#73
There's no mention in the Samguk Sagi of a 366 raid but I did provide a list of the raids in it earlier in the thread which I'll repost and expand here:
14
208, 4m
232, 4m
233, 5m
287, 4m
292, 6m
294, summer
346
364, 4m
393, 5m
405, 4m
407, 3m
407, 6m
408, 2m
415, 8m
431, 4m
440
440, 6m
444, 4m
459, 4m
462, 5m
467, 6m
463, 2m
476, 6m
477, 5m (possibly withdrew before a fight)
482, 2m
486, 4m
497, 4m
500, 3m
731, 4m
What do the numbers after the year mean?
 

Haakbus

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#76
"Summer, fourth month. ... Three hundred battleships from Japan crossed the ocean and attacked our eastern coast. The King ordered generals to dispatch troops and greatly routed them."
That's what the Samguk Sagi says.
 
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Haakbus

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#78
There were instances of the Japanese even besieging the capital but they all ended up withdrawing for one reason or another. Often when this happened Shilla sent troops that finished them off. They were a force to be reckoned with but probably not enough to compromise the existence of the state. It's also true that Japan's entire supply of iron came from the peninsula until the sixth century. I don't know much about Japanese military structure or technology of the time but yeah I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't as developed as the peninsula and certainly not China.
 
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Haakbus

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#80
It doesn't give much detail at all. Only short passages that mentions them surrounding the capital for a certain number of days and withdrawing for various reasons.

The annals of all three kingdoms are available in English on amazon.

232, 4m -- The Wa unexpectedly appeared and surrounded Kumsong (Kyongju). The king did a sortie and scatted them, finishing them off with light cavalry as they fled.
346--The Wa attacked P'ungdo island and plundered it then advanced and encircled Kumsong. After fighting for awhile they withdrew with low supplies and were attacked by a Shilla force as they retreated.
393, 5m--Wa sieged Kumsong for five days but they withdrew after that. Their route of escape was cut off by Shilla cavalry then Shilla infantry pursued them. The Shillan troops attacked them from two sides and defeated them.
444, 4m--Wa encircled Kumsong for ten days then withdrew because of low supplies. Shilla sent troops after them but they were defeated. The king was surrounded by Japanese but they retreated after a dark fog came which they thought was divine intervention.
459, 2m--The Wa came with over a hundred ships and encircled the capital. A sortie went out and defeated them when they reached their breaking point. They chased them to the sea where many Wa troops drowned.
 
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