Were the Thracians the majority in Macedonia?

Aug 2018
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This picture shows the original borders of Macedonia. When Macedonians occupied Thrace, Thracians did not just die.
Quote from Strabo:

''Hecataeus of Miletus says of the Peloponnesus, that, before the time of the Greeks, it was inhabited by barbarians. Perhaps even the whole of Greece was, anciently, a settlement of barbarians, if we judge from former accounts. For Pelops brought colonists from Phrygia into the Peloponnesus, which took his name; Danaus brought colonists from Egypt; Dry- opes, Caucones, Pelasgi, Leleges, and other barbarous nations, partitioned among themselves the country on this side of the isthmus. The case was the same on the other side of the isthmus; for Thracians, under their leader Eumolpus, took possession of Attica; Tereus of Daulis in Phocaea; the Phoenicians, with their leader Cadmus, occupied the Cadmeian district; Aones, and Temmices, and Hyantes, Boeotia. Pindar says, `there was a time when the Boeotian people were called Syes.' Some names show their barbarous origin, as Cecrops, Codrus, Ceclus, Cothus, Drymas, and Crinacus. Thracians, Illyrians, and Epirotae are settled even at present on the sides of Greece. Formerly the territory they possessed was more extensive, although even now the barbarians possess a large part of the country, which, without dispute, is Greece. Macedonia is occupied by Thracians, as well as some parts of Thessaly; the country above Acarnania and Aetolia, by Thesproti, Cassopaei, Amphilochi, Molotti, and Athamanes, Epirotic tribes. Book 7, ch. 7, frg. 1.''

What is Strabo trying to say?
 
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Oct 2017
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I have also heard it said that the ruling class in Macedonia spoke Greek, whereas most others (although gradually Hellenized) spoke a different, albeit somewhat related, language at least until Koine Greek came about.
 
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I have also heard it said that the ruling class in Macedonia spoke Greek, whereas most others (although gradually Hellenized) spoke a different, albeit somewhat related, language at least until Koine Greek came about.
I suspect they were speaking the native language till at least the time of Christ when Strabo lived.
 
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The thracian king Sitalces did actually invade Macedonia in 428 BC, but withdrew, so at least around that time, Macedon was not occupied by Thracians.

It was actually the other way around 100 years later when the Macedon King Philipp invaded and conquered Thrace. The City of Philippopolis, today's second largest city in Bulgaria was founded by him at that time.


Philippopolis (Thrace) - Wikipedia
 
Aug 2018
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The thracian king Sitalces did actually invade Macedonia in 428 BC, but withdrew, so at least around that time, Macedon was not occupied by Thracians.

It was actually the other way around 100 years later when the Macedon King Philipp invaded and conquered Thrace. The City of Philippopolis, today's second largest city in Bulgaria was founded by him at that time.


Philippopolis (Thrace) - Wikipedia
We are well aware of that. But one has to take in consideration that Macedonians settled all the way to India and Egypt, reducing their numbers in their own homeland. And second, there were Thracians tribes around and in Macedonia, like the Mygdones. So maybe they were outnumbered (not conquered) by Thracians.
Mygdonia - Wikipedia
 
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The Macedonians probably spoke some Greek dialect akin to Dorian. Within their kingdom there were also Epirots who spoke some Greek dialect of their own. Both these dialects were probably quite rough to the ear to Southern Greeks. Then, Chalcidice was inhabited by Ionian Greeks. They spoke an Ioanian Greek dialect. Aside from Chalcidice there were also some Athenian settlements on the coast. Amphipolis is an example of that. Aside from the Greek dialects there were also some tribes who spoke non-Greek languages within the kingdom of Macedonia. Since this is very specific, one should take note that the original Macedonians only inhabited a small piece of land from Mt. Olympus to Thessalonica.

The Thracians were of course not the majority because that part never became an integral part of the Macedonian kingdom. It was simply conquered territory, just like parts of Asia later on.
 
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The thracian king Sitalces did actually invade Macedonia in 428 BC, but withdrew, so at least around that time, Macedon was not occupied by Thracians.

It was actually the other way around 100 years later when the Macedon King Philipp invaded and conquered Thrace. The City of Philippopolis, today's second largest city in Bulgaria was founded by him at that time.


Philippopolis (Thrace) - Wikipedia
The op is whether thracians were the majority in macedonia. Not whether macedonia was under military pressure by the thracians. Strabo is very clear when he mentiones thracians in the context of macedonia.
 

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We are well aware of that. But one has to take in consideration that Macedonians settled all the way to India and Egypt, reducing their numbers in their own homeland. And second, there were Thracians tribes around and in Macedonia, like the Mygdones. So maybe they were outnumbered (not conquered) by Thracians.
Mygdonia - Wikipedia
This name Mygdon, it sounds so strikingly close to Makedon, that one might as well be forgiven for thinking that they were indeed cognate or closely related tribes.

Well, might they have been?
 
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This name Mygdon, it sounds so strikingly close to Makedon, that one might as well be forgiven for thinking that they were indeed cognate or closely related tribes.

Well, might they have been?
Ancient, prethracian roots, for sure.Thessalians have partially been thracian as well.
 
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