Were there any survivors of the Titanic who never got into one of the Titanic's lifeboats?

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I always thought of hypothermia as more of a physical thing than a psychological thing. You're implying that people in the water died at least partially due to psychological shock.



What is your source for this?
Well no just the panic means they are more active and expend energy much faster. Just think of yourself in that situation and how much energy you'd spend dealing with the cold and trying to find a boat. That's not even to mention what they were witnessing as the ship went down.

And no source just the only rational explanation since on paper alcohol is supposed to make you freeze faster. He's the only one out of over 1000 people to make it(or even come close, just think there were like 10 people tops still alive in the water after around a half hour), and he was under considerably less duress than say Harold Bride and the people who survived the night on the collapsible with only exposure to the water not being close to entirely submerged.
 
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The problem was the SS Californian was within sight of the Titanic, the captain ,crew and passengers could clearly see the Califonian's lights in the distance. The captain and crew of the Titanic at first assumed that the Californian would respond to the Titanic's distress flares and radio messages, and that given the rate of the Titanic's sinking they would have plenty of time to transfer all the passengers to the Californian's before the ship sank, so they didn't need to overload the lifeboats.
That's the true horror of the Titanic, they could see a rescue ship in the distance, but the SS Californian, despite seeing the distress flares, did nothing.
We don't know this. The more time that's passed the more likely it seems the Californian was further and it was another ship that the passengers thought they saw. There was a ship in the area illegally sealing that would have saw the rockets as a reason to escape. Californian was closer than Carpathia in any scenario but this was more scapegoating though it's not like it can't be false. The reason I don't think it's California is because passengers and crew on Titanic saw the ship turn away. California was still during this entire ordeal.

Lord no doubt saw the rockets and not waking the operater when you see rockets was grossly incompetent(cause you know they were just throwing a party in the freezing cold in the middle of ocean). There's also the fact that Californian is a slower and smaller ship and given when the rockets were launched(some time after the Carpathia turned around) the Californian most likely couldn't have made it in time even if everyone reacted the way they should have. Unless of course he was 10 miles away, but the eyewitness accounts on both ships make me think Titanic was further away and there was a ship in between them. Either the sealing ship or another ship(and there's other ships it could have been).
 

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We don't know this. The more time that's passed the more likely it seems the Californian was further and it was another ship that the passengers thought they saw. There was a ship in the area illegally sealing that would have saw the rockets as a reason to escape. Californian was closer than Carpathia in any scenario but this was more scapegoating though it's not like it can't be false. The reason I don't think it's California is because passengers and crew on Titanic saw the ship turn away. California was still during this entire ordeal.

Lord no doubt saw the rockets and not waking the operater when you see rockets was grossly incompetent(cause you know they were just throwing a party in the freezing cold in the middle of ocean). There's also the fact that Californian is a slower and smaller ship and given when the rockets were launched(some time after the Carpathia turned around) the Californian most likely couldn't have made it in time even if everyone reacted the way they should have. Unless of course he was 10 miles away, but the eyewitness accounts on both ships make me think Titanic was further away and there was a ship in between them. Either the sealing ship or another ship(and there's other ships it could have been).
Have you heard this theory of cold water mirages?
 

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We don't know this. The more time that's passed the more likely it seems the Californian was further and it was another ship that the passengers thought they saw. There was a ship in the area illegally sealing that would have saw the rockets as a reason to escape. Californian was closer than Carpathia in any scenario but this was more scapegoating though it's not like it can't be false. The reason I don't think it's California is because passengers and crew on Titanic saw the ship turn away. California was still during this entire ordeal.

Lord no doubt saw the rockets and not waking the operater when you see rockets was grossly incompetent(cause you know they were just throwing a party in the freezing cold in the middle of ocean). There's also the fact that Californian is a slower and smaller ship and given when the rockets were launched(some time after the Carpathia turned around) the Californian most likely couldn't have made it in time even if everyone reacted the way they should have. Unless of course he was 10 miles away, but the eyewitness accounts on both ships make me think Titanic was further away and there was a ship in between them. Either the sealing ship or another ship(and there's other ships it could have been).
People on the Californian saw a ship that was firing rockets. People on the Titanic saw a ship that was not firing rockets. This only makes sense if the Californian saw the Titanic and the Titanic saw the Californian.

Any hypothetical 3rd ship would have to be firing magical rockets that were only visible from one direction at the same time and intervals as the Titanic in an attempt to draw attention to itself before sneaking off undetected.

There as no 3rd ship, but there was a great deal of dereliction of duty on the Californian that night.
 

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There as no 3rd ship, but there was a great deal of dereliction of duty on the Californian that night.
Not necessarily. Ships often fired rockets for the amusement of the passengers, and there was no requirement to keep a constant radio watch ( most ships, if they had a radio, only had one operator anyway). It was a calm, clear night and the watchkeepers on board Californian had no reason to suspect that the ship seen in the distance was in trouble.
 
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People on the Californian saw a ship that was firing rockets. People on the Titanic saw a ship that was not firing rockets. This only makes sense if the Californian saw the Titanic and the Titanic saw the Californian.

Any hypothetical 3rd ship would have to be firing magical rockets that were only visible from one direction at the same time and intervals as the Titanic in an attempt to draw attention to itself before sneaking off undetected.

There as no 3rd ship, but there was a great deal of dereliction of duty on the Californian that night.
Well they saw the Titanics rockets. No one's questioning that. Was it coming from the ship they saw or was it coming from further away. You see the rockets regardless cause they go into the sky, they did not "see a ship firing rockets" they saw a ship and they rockets. Ship in between doesn't contradict either thing you've said.

Well there was incompetence no question there but I don't see the evidence the Californian could have saved everyone in time.