Were there any territories in British India in 1947 that would have preferred to become independent states as opposed to a part of India or Pakistan?

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So now its official that Wahabism, which has been raping the middle east for the past century, is an Indian cult? This means that it is not india that should rid itself from middle eastern influence but instead the middle east should rid itself from indian influence. That is interesting.
Are you some kind of troll?. Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahab was an Arab of Najd. Some Indians visited your Arabia in 18th and 19th century, got influenced by Salafi ideas there and introduced it to India.

Dont blame India for shyt-fest in your middle east.
 
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Which of the ruling dynasties have Pashtuns / Pathans have been associated in India subcontinent?

I can remember Sur dynasty and the Rohillas.

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Rajeev
There were quite a few spread around all of India varying in size from an empire to petty chieftains who had autonomy. However, as you mentioned, the Sur Empire was among the most notable. The Durrani Empire was also prominent in what is now Pakistan and parts of NW India and the Karrani Dynasty controlled Bengal.
 
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Which of the ruling dynasties have Pashtuns / Pathans have been associated in India subcontinent?

I can remember Sur dynasty and the Rohillas.

Thanks

Rajeev
Lodi, Sur and Karrani dynasties. The so called Sayyids were perhaps also Afghans (according to Khafi Khan). Some Pashtuns of the Mughal nobility also founded some small states after the decline of their Mughal kings in 18th century for example Babis of Gujarat, Lohanis of Palanpur, Bangash of Farrukhabad, Orakzais of Bhopal, Miyanas of Sayanur, Pannis of Kurnool etc
 
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So now its official that Wahabism, which has been raping the middle east for the past century, is an Indian cult? This means that it is not india that should rid itself from middle eastern influence but instead the middle east should rid itself from indian influence. That is interesting.
Wahhabism is not an Indian cult, it originated from Arabia. It has been spreading in South Asia courtesy funding from petro-dollars.

Have read a few Muslim scholars from South Asia who say that this cult is not good for South Asia because it is creating hard dividing lines which leads to isolation of muslims. In India it isolates the muslims as a whole who are a minority. In Pakistan it isolates Islamic minorities like the Shias, Ahmadias etc.
 

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"Abdul Wahab bin Rustam was the founder of the Wahhabism Ibadi Movement, in Tiaret, in Algeria. He was part of the Rustamid dynasty that ruled a theocracy in what is now Tunis and Algeria. He became ruler after the death of his father and founded an external movement of religion Islamic and disrupted the religious laws and called Wahhabism relative to his name Abd al-Wahab."
Abd al-Wahhab ibn Rustam - Wikipedia

Modern historians trace back the origins of the denomination to a moderate current of the Khawarij movement; contemporary Ibāḍīs strongly object to being classified as Kharijites, although they recognize that their movement originated with the Kharijite secession of 657 CE.

So, Wahabism is a Tunisian/Algerian import whether in India or in Middle East.
 

Devdas

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Apr 2015
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So now its official that Wahabism, which has been raping the middle east for the past century, is an Indian cult? This means that it is not india that should rid itself from middle eastern influence but instead the middle east should rid itself from indian influence. That is interesting.
Wahabbism has no connection to India, its more associated with Arabs. The Deobandi and Barelvi movement was reaction to the complete downfall of Mughal rule in India.
 

M.S. Islam

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"Abdul Wahab bin Rustam was the founder of the Wahhabism Ibadi Movement, in Tiaret, in Algeria. He was part of the Rustamid dynasty that ruled a theocracy in what is now Tunis and Algeria. He became ruler after the death of his father and founded an external movement of religion Islamic and disrupted the religious laws and called Wahhabism relative to his name Abd al-Wahab."
Abd al-Wahhab ibn Rustam - Wikipedia

Modern historians trace back the origins of the denomination to a moderate current of the Khawarij movement; contemporary Ibāḍīs strongly object to being classified as Kharijites, although they recognize that their movement originated with the Kharijite secession of 657 CE.

So, Wahabism is a Tunisian/Algerian import whether in India or in Middle East.
Salafism (aka Wahhabism) originated with teachings of Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab - Wikipedia
 
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Devdas

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I wonder if a federation between Afghanistan and Pashtunistan could have been achieved in 1947 had Pashtunistan been allowed to form an independent state.

I know that Pakistani Pashtuns later became very well-integrated into Pakistani life, but I don't know if this was already the case back in 1947.
In 1947, Pashtuns of NWFP were initially reluctant to join Pakistan. FATA was a semi autonomous region under British rule and military action and airstrikes against rebellious Pashtun tribes was a common norm. This was continued even after the foundation of Pakistan, now the region is even infected with Taliban.
 

Devdas

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Yeah, I know that Kashmir is pretty diverse:



BTW, what motivated some of the Muslims in the Kashmir Valley to rebel against India in the first place? The rigged 1987 elections in Kashmir?

Also, off-topic, but didn't Pakistan actually initially oppose the idea of holding a plebiscite in Kashmir?
Apart from religion, there are various ethnic groups. Kashmir don't have a just single ethnic group. Within Muslims there are various ethnic groups like Kashmiri, Pahadis, Shina, Gujjar-Bakkarwals, Ladakhis Shias.

As I mentioned the Soviet retreat from Afghanistan triggered the insurgency. Apart from expulsion of Kashmiri Hindus, the other group that suffered a lot are the Kashmiri Shias who can't practice their religious practice in open and they are highly suspicious because of daily massacre and attacks on Shia Muslims of Pakistan, basically the terror groups who fighting against India are also involved in attacks on Shia Muslims in Pakistan.