What did the Germans plan to do with captured territory if they won WW1?

Pendennis

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Mar 2013
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What they planned to do had they succeede conquerng Britain in 1940 was laid out in detailed oruint by S.S. Dojktor Six I.E.-Mass deporttion by race and gender to the Occupied Europe where .
 
Jan 2013
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Carniola
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Generalplan Ost - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Order_(Nazism)

Plans in Africa:
New Order (Nazism) - Wikipedia

"The remaining southern sector would be controlled by a pro-Nazi Afrikaner state built on racial grounds.[47] In early 1940 Foreign Minister Ribbentrop had communicated with South African leaders thought to be sympathetic to the Nazi cause, informing them that Germany was to reclaim its former colony of German South-West Africa, then a mandate of the Union of South Africa.[48] South Africa was to be compensated by the territorial acquisitions of the British protectorates of Swaziland, Basutoland and Bechuanaland and the colony of Southern Rhodesia.[48] On the division of French African colonies between the Spanish and Italian governments Hitler refused to provide any official promises during the war, however, fearful of losing the support of Vichy France."

Wrong war??
 

Frank81

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Feb 2010
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This is a fascinating subject that led to the origins of Nazi aims in WWII

The most important plan of the Germans was the creation of a "Mittleuropa" empire, controlling central and eastern Europe, where they would be masters over subjected Slavic people, controlling mining and farming, and allowing massive settlement of Germans in the area.

German empire in Europe after the war, according to 1917 plans




Sounds familiar? The idea started to develop before the war, and during it, well, it is basically what Germans did (excepting the mass colonization)
 

sparky

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Jan 2017
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Interesting , the German part closely cover the territories Germany obtained by mid 1918 ,
one could say they had it but couldn't keep it
it make the disastrous decision to invade Belgium even worse
it got Britain on their back , while knocking France out of the war could have been left to the French generals
two German Armies sitting on the defensive chewing up their wasteful attacks should have taken the stuffing out of them
 

Frank81

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Interesting , the German part closely cover the territories Germany obtained by mid 1918 ,
one could say they had it but couldn't keep it
it make the disastrous decision to invade Belgium even worse
it got Britain on their back , while knocking France out of the war could have been left to the French generals
two German Armies sitting on the defensive chewing up their wasteful attacks should have taken the stuffing out of them

This is exactly what made Wilhelm II to call hysterically to Moltke the day before invading Belgium: stop the invasion, don't get UK involved, defend the west, focuse on Russia

Moltke told Wilhelm: all the plan is ready and can NOT be cancelled at this point, and after long conversations with him and other high officials, Wilhelm approved the original plan. I was much surprised reading about this event that could radically change all the conflict.

Of course could be, but while the idea of focusing on Eastern Europe and Russia was popular among civilians, younger generations and William II (who was responsible of breaking the good relations that William I and Bismarck had stablished with Russia), the old Prussian generals still considered France to be the true enemy of the Germans.

In this attempt to play two games, Germany finally lost
 

sparky

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Jan 2017
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Moltke was an indecisive idiot ,
couldn't fight.... couldn't command ,
just a parade puppet with the mind of a lower ranking train station attendant and the nerves of an old woman
he was useless
 
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The Netherlands
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Initialy the German chancellor drew up an ambitious plan call the septemberprogram which did indeed reduce Poland to a puppet state, whilst the same time siezing much of Frances coal and steel producing areas, anexing belgium and siezing some of the channel ports.
Within days of the plan being issued it was feeectively dead in the water as Germanys gamble on a speedy victory degenerated into trench warfare
The Septemberprogramm was not written by the German chancellor, nor did its content reflect the views or policies of the German government. The only ambitions in the document that were worth pursuing according to the chancellor were the creation of a European economic block around Germany and imperial expansion in Africa to create one large colony in the heart of the continent.

German empire in Europe after the war, according to 1917 plans




Sounds familiar? The idea started to develop before the war, and during it, well, it is basically what Germans did (excepting the mass colonization)
This is a well-known Allied war propaganda map. It's pretty ridiculous and had little base in reality.

What did the Germans plan to do with captured territory had they won ww1? I heard somewhere that they planned to make a puppet state out of the Russian part of Poland but I'm sceptical as surely they'd have realised that would revive Polish nationalism and hopes for an independent Poland thus compromising their control of the parts they and their Austro-Hungarian allies occupied. And what of France and Belgium? Had they won did they plan to annex any of that? Set up puppet governments? Or just demand reparations?
That's a bit of complicated question to answer. Germany entered the war without any formulated war aims and never formulated any during the time that chancellor Bethmann-Hollweg was in power. Germany's demands for a post-war settlement would largely depend on the length and course of the war. Bethmann-Hollweg opposed large-scale annexation and the incorporation of foreign peoples. He favoured puppets states that could aid Germany against hostile encirclement, but he was also willing to go far to entice either France or Russia to sign a separate peace - such as returning Poland to Russia or compensating France with half of Belgium - and opposed large-scale expansion in the Baltic provinces so as not to damage future German-Russian relations. A defeated France would likely have to cede the ore rich region of Briey-Longwy, colonies in Morocco and Central-Africa and pay reparations. A defeated Russia would have to cede Poland, Curland and Lithuania, of which the latter two were to be turned into friendly puppet states. The fate of Poland is interesting. In the first two years of the war Germany favoured a Austro-Polish solution, meaning that Russian Poland would be incorporated into Austria-Hungary. As the war progressed and Germany grew more powerful in the alliance as opposed to Austria-Hungary, the Austro-Polish solution was abandoned in favour of a German-controlled puppet state. In the end, the Central Powers created a Polish state (which was independent in name alone) in the widst of the war, for the sole reason that they needed the extra manpower and hoped to raise Polish armies willing to fight alongside them.
 
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sparky

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Jan 2017
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Sydney
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It is true that the German Empire went into a type of war which it didn't really want or imagined for no particular reasons
some business men published some proposal for war aims months later ,
on the whole it was greedy and pretty poor stuff
 

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