What does this say? Phrase hanging in Senator Barry Goldwater's office

May 2019
Toronto Ontario Canada
Hello Historum community,

I'm working on a historical project and I'm hoping to identify a phrase shown hanging in Senator Barry Goldwater's office. It appears to be "illuminated".
I'm aware he was a freemason but I'm not sure if its related to that. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
May 2019
Toronto Ontario Canada
Hey thats it!

Wiki says this: Illegitimati non carborundum.[1][2] It was later further popularized in the US by 1964 presidential candidate Barry Goldwater.[3]

Now I need to figure out the full phrase he has up there. Noli permittere Illegitimatis carborundum ...?
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Forum Staff
Aug 2016
Noli - do not
Pretty much the same thing. Most people who read Latin mottos don't go for a literal translation. When they hear that illegitimus means bastards they take the rest on faith.


Forum Staff
Feb 2009
Eastern PA
Wikipedia lists several alternatives for the phrase, none of which exactly match the framed saying on the wall. That is what happens when someone tries to add an air of legitimacy and authority to a new phrase using a dead language.
  • illegitimis non carborundum
  • nil illegitimi carborundum
  • non illegitimi carborundum
  • nil carborundum illegitimi
  • nil sine illegitimi carborundum
  • nolite te bastardes carborundum
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