What existing military units are most likely to obsolete?


Ad Honorem
Apr 2011
Georgia, USA
We will never know ... it was ready for a museum when it begun to serve!
Well according to Wikipedia, Italy took some to Iraq as part of the coalition forces in 1991 and it's served in both the former Yugoslavia and Somalia.


Forum Staff
Aug 2016
Can drone control be jammed?
Yes, any radio signal can be jammed or also spoofed (the enemy can pretend to be the controller and give the drone false instructions such as 'fly into that cliff' or 'attack your own forces'). The risk of jamming is minimized by pre-programing the drone with instructions that anytime communication is broken the drone is to fly back to base, orbit until communication is restored, try to restore communications on a different frequency, fly out of the zone of jamming, or some other instruction. Spoofing is more difficult if communications are encrypted.
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Apr 2017
Artillery is going no where. If anything they are the corner stone of every military with increased accuracy. Infantry see tanks, infantry mark tanks, artillery or aircraft destroys tanks. In the future replace infantry with drones, all manner of drones. Tanks are becoming less useful in conventional warfare as well.


Ad Honorem
Jan 2017
modern artillery is self propelled , they can relocate in a matter of minutes

May 2018
The concept of Officers and Enlisted personnel. The U.S. military is one of the few American institutions that still uses a system based on blatant classism.

Now, before I fully condemn the idea of officers vs enlisted, I am not against this type of force structure, per se. There are advantages to having a young executive paired with an experienced "do-er": an officer needs different skills than a senior NCO, by the nature of warfare. It helps keep old, jaded leaders from having too much say and young, energetic-but-inexperienced leaders make fewer mistakes.

However, there has to be a better way of achieving this balance (and the other advantages of the system of officers and enlisted) through an alternative force structure. The thing is, I haven't seen any alterntaives to the "New Model Army" Regimental system that the USA still uses (to a certain extent) other than historical examples from Rome to medieval force structure.

Plenty of dumb lieutenants got men killed throughout wars in history who didn't need to die. While that's just a reality of warfare, I wonder if there is a better system other than the concept of officer & enlisted that could work in a modern army.
Aug 2013
How much pack-up time could you save if you knew before the fire mission that you would be leaving immediately after it was finished? If before and during the fire mission you packed up all of your equipment except what was necessary to fire the guns, how long would it take to hitch up the guns and depart?
If you know when, where and what you will be firing well in advance of the decided time, you can basically pack up everything beforehand and even have the command team doing their part from the back of the truck already, only the ammunition needed for your firing plan stored with the guns, nothing extra set up anymore (no tents, camofalgue etc), the guns aimed in beforehand already, all communication wireless so no cables to gather etc.

With everything 100% optimised for a hasty departure then yes, you would only spend a minute getting the guns locked in traveling positions and attached to the trucks, then everyone jumps aboard the trucks and you're off in maybe 2 minutes after the last shots are fired.

But this is not a normal situation for towed artillery, just as getting shots off asap after driving into position is not normal either, unless you have just arrived to try and stop a breakthrough. Artillery needs too much stuff setup to be prepared to get shots out fast when the calls from the spotters come in - and you don't know when those calls will be coming in or what they will be asking for.

If you need to tell them to wait 10 or 20 minutes extra because you need to prepare for a getaway before you fire, you will be useless to them in a lot of situations. For example if they request counter-battery fire, you will need to fire asap or miss the chance and if you fire asap, you are not prepared for a quick getaway.
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Aug 2013
modern artillery is self propelled , they can relocate in a matter of minutes
Absolutely, but the relocation discussion is (edited: was, discussing SPGs is interesting too) about towed artillery.

Looking at what the US army uses as it's most modern towed artillery piece, the M777 (M777 howitzer - Wikipedia) Wikipedia says it has a displacement time of 2 minutes 33 seconds. I assume that's some kind of reference time for a trained crew to get it from shooting position into traveling position, all attached to a truck and ready to go. For a big heavy 155mm piece like this, it's pretty well optimised and it seems to have all necessary communications etc. equipment integrated which means there is not a whole lot of extra to take apart and pack up separately. For sure this seems to be a very significant improvement over more traditional towed pieces.

The older M198, which is still in service, is listed on the same page as having a 10 minute displacement time, which is definitely not enough to get away before you might be counter-batteried.

But with the M777 it seems then that the bottleneck for departure will be all the other equipment a battery will have set up (tents, camouflage for the trucks etc.) rather than the guns themselves.