What happend with British science from 1870s - 1945?

jungleplanewreck

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Jan 2011
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England.
Do you want a medal or something?


And yes, I agree. You improved on something the British made. You invented the improvement, not the thing. You came along after the sculpture had been made and polished it.
 
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May 2009
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New Jersey
Well after double checking most of the stuff you said you are correct that the Hungarians did invent/improve upon a lot of important inventions. I am pretty impressed with your countrymen.

A lot of it is standing on the shoulder's of giants type of thing, but still.
 

kimi

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Jul 2010
2,249
Munich, Capital of the Kingdom of Bavaria
Well, its the typical thing with inventions. computers for instance where invented by every other nation. simply because one nation says "we invented (programable) computers" and the next one says "we invented (electronic) computers"!

I always found it funny that america won the space race. SU had the first animal in space. didnt win them the space race. wtf? then they had the first man in space. didnt win them the space race... huh? then america had the first man on the moon. That won them the space race.... Lets wait, with some luck the chinese will be the first on mars,m then the chinese will have won the space race. :lol:

You just have to find something in the chain of events that has been done by someone of your ethnicity that then later led to an invention, and voila... your country invented "x".
 

Chookie

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Nov 2007
7,628
Alba
.....The lack of knowledge of higher mathematics in engineering and science caused it. (Britain hadn't world-important mathematician in the Era, and the importance of higher-mathematics was neglected in their universities of technology...
Ever heard of James Clerk Maxwell?
or
James Bowman Lindsay?
or
Charles Thomas Rees Wilson?
or
Sir William Fairbairn?

I could go on.........
 
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Well, its the typical thing with inventions. computers for instance where invented by every other nation. simply because one nation says "we invented (programable) computers" and the next one says "we invented (electronic) computers"!

I always found it funny that america won the space race. SU had the first animal in space. didnt win them the space race. wtf? then they had the first man in space. didnt win them the space race... huh? then america had the first man on the moon. That won them the space race.... Lets wait, with some luck the chinese will be the first on mars,m then the chinese will have won the space race. :lol:

You just have to find something in the chain of events that has been done by someone of your ethnicity that then later led to an invention, and voila... your country invented "x".
The so called digital computer was invented by J. Neuman (ballistic research chief mathematican of Manhattan project)

The inventor of digital computer:
Read about him: John von Neumann - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ENIAC]ENIAC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

NIAC (pronounced /ˈɛni.æk/), short for Electronic Numerical Integrator And Computer,[1][2] was the first general-purpose electronic computer. It was a Turing-complete digital computer capable of being reprogrammed to solve a full range of computing problems.[3]

Comparison with other early computers

Main article: History of computing hardware
Mechanical and electrical computing machines have been around since the 19th century, but the 1930s and 1940s are considered the beginning of the modern computer era.
The German Z3 (shown working in May 1941) was designed by Konrad Zuse. It was the first general-purpose digital computer, but it was electromechanical, rather than electronic, as it used relays for all functions. It computed logically using binary math. It was programmable by punched tape, but lacked the conditional branch. While not designed for Turing-completeness, it accidentally was, as it was found out in 1998 (but to exploit this Turing-completeness, complex, clever hacks were necessary). It was destroyed in a bombing raid on Berlin in December 1943.
The American Atanasoff–Berry Computer (ABC) (shown working in summer 1941) was the first electronic computing device. It implemented binary computation with vacuum tubes but was not general purpose, being limited to solving systems of linear equations. It also did not exploit electronic computing speeds, being limited by a rotating capacitor drum memory and an input-output system that was intended to write intermediate results to paper cards. It was manually controlled and was not programmable.
The ten British Colossus computers (used for cryptanalysis starting in 1943) were designed by Tommy Flowers. The Colossus computers were digital, electronic, and were programmed by plugboard and switches, but they were dedicated to code breaking and not general purpose.[23]
Howard Aiken's 1944 Harvard Mark I was programmed by punched tape and used relays. It performed general math functions, but lacked any branching.
The ENIAC was, like the Z3 and Mark I, able to run an arbitrary sequence of mathematical operations, but did not read them from a tape. Like the Colossus, it was programmed by plugboard and switches. The ENIAC combined full, Turing complete programmability with electronic speed.
 

kimi

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Jul 2010
2,249
Munich, Capital of the Kingdom of Bavaria
Mechanical and electrical computing machines have been around since the 19th century, but the 1930s and 1940s are considered the beginning of the modern computer era.
The German Z3 (shown working in May 1941) was designed by Konrad Zuse. It was the first general-purpose digital computer, but it was electromechanical, rather than electronic, as it used relays for all functions. It computed logically using binary math. It was programmable by punched tape, but lacked the conditional branch. While not designed for Turing-completeness, it accidentally was, as it was found out in 1998 (but to exploit this Turing-completeness, complex, clever hacks were necessary). It was destroyed in a bombing raid on Berlin in December 1943.
The American Atanasoff–Berry Computer (ABC) (shown working in summer 1941) was the first electronic computing device. It implemented binary computation with vacuum tubes but was not general purpose, being limited to solving systems of linear equations. It also did not exploit electronic computing speeds, being limited by a rotating capacitor drum memory and an input-output system that was intended to write intermediate results to paper cards. It was manually controlled and was not programmable.
The ten British Colossus computers (used for cryptanalysis starting in 1943) were designed by Tommy Flowers. The Colossus computers were digital, electronic, and were programmed by plugboard and switches, but they were dedicated to code breaking and not general purpose.[23]
Howard Aiken's 1944 Harvard Mark I was programmed by punched tape and used relays. It performed general math functions, but lacked any branching.
The ENIAC was, like the Z3 and Mark I, able to run an arbitrary sequence of mathematical operations, but did not read them from a tape. Like the Colossus, it was programmed by plugboard and switches. The ENIAC combined full, Turing complete programmability with electronic speed.
As said, every other nation invented "the computer"
 

Pedro

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Mar 2008
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Well, its the typical thing with inventions. computers for instance where invented by every other nation. simply because one nation says "we invented (programable) computers" and the next one says "we invented (electronic) computers"!

I always found it funny that america won the space race. SU had the first animal in space. didnt win them the space race. wtf? then they had the first man in space. didnt win them the space race... huh? then america had the first man on the moon. That won them the space race.... Lets wait, with some luck the chinese will be the first on mars,m then the chinese will have won the space race. :lol:

You just have to find something in the chain of events that has been done by someone of your ethnicity that then later led to an invention, and voila... your country invented "x".
Good point and one that reminds me of a 1960's comedian, Mort Saul, who said about the space race between the U.S.A. and Russia, "It's a race between our German scientist and their German scientists." The not so hidden moral is that science is not contained by national borders.
 

botully

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Feb 2011
3,547
Amelia, Virginia, USA
Who is "we", exactly? Do you claim a part in these "inventions" because of the place of your birth?

If we all determine to list things invented or improved upon by past countrymen, this will be a long, boring thread.

So what is it about Hungarians that makes them so innately innovative? Something in the water?
 

Vladd

Ad Honorem
Feb 2011
5,561
England
Who is "we", exactly? Do you claim a part in these "inventions" because of the place of your birth?

If we all determine to list things invented or improved upon by past countrymen, this will be a long, boring thread.

So what is it about Hungarians that makes them so innately innovative? Something in the water?
Maybe its the goulash.