What happened to the 4 hour work day predicted by Keynes?

Jan 2010
4,419
Atlanta, Georgia USA
#11
Keynes never could have predicted the high percentage of today's population that isn't working at all. In Keyne's day there were over fifty workers for every pension/benefit recipient. Now there are three. In a few years it will be two. If the percentage of the population in the workforce today were as high as it was in Keynes' day, the average workday would be a lot less than four hours.
That’s the long-term challenge to almost every developed economy.
 

Tulius

Ad Honorem
May 2016
5,454
Portugal
#13
What happened to the 4 hour workday predicted by Keynes as a consequence of technology enabling more leisure time for workers? It seems that in the US, your white collar office worker works more than his counterpart in the 60s, and the only place where this prediction seems to approximate reality is in Northwestern continental Europe.
Apparently I don’t have the knowledge of the work of Keynes as the other members around here. It has been a long time since I read him, and don’t even recalled about this, if I ever read it. So, I went out to take a look:

Keynes' 15 Hour Work Week Is Here Right Now

The article seems to answer well to the question. The answer is mostly addressed to the USA. And it doesn’t take into account the hours per week in public (or private) transports in the route house/work.
 

pugsville

Ad Honorem
Oct 2010
9,084
#14
That would be the government. Where do you get such erroneous ideas about capitalism?
Observation of society. Junk mail. The vast array of Junk products. Bottled water. the Production of crappy products that simply fall apart and will not last even of they were really deseribale in teh first place, remeber that the constant proprganda and indoctrination that constantly urges and brainwashes people to consume form cradle to the grave.

Ok divide all tje jobs into two catergories, those actually connected with the production and distrubution of goods and services. The ot\her is everythiung connected with ecnomics, these are thr overheads of the capitalists system.
 
Dec 2011
2,207
#16
Apparently I don’t have the knowledge of the work of Keynes as the other members around here. It has been a long time since I read him, and don’t even recalled about this, if I ever read it. So, I went out to take a look:

Keynes' 15 Hour Work Week Is Here Right Now

The article seems to answer well to the question. The answer is mostly addressed to the USA. And it doesn’t take into account the hours per week in public (or private) transports in the route house/work.
Thank you for actually looking up the facts, which bear some emphasis.

Keynes did not predict we would be working a 4 hour week by now
Keynes said we would be working 15 hours a week by 2030
The 15 hour week, in terms of unpaid housework, is now here.
 

pugsville

Ad Honorem
Oct 2010
9,084
#17
Just like all the useless capitalist work that invented the device you used to make this ridiculous post.
Again you jump to the extreme position that ANY criticism of capitalism must be involve the complete rejection of it and all it's works. Really how can you have any debate on any subject when you are always syiang you have to 100% for something or 100& against?

They people to drive around the CBD towing billboards. Boring deadend job. Traffic congention. Pollution. Really how could such a job exists outside of a capitalist framework?

Is not Junk mail a uselss industry generated by capitalism?

Explain advertising. Either it does not work and the entire industry is useless. Or it dos and people are being influenced to buy stay they don;t really need.

something like 1/3 of food is thrown away in Asutralia before it's gets to teh consumer. A lot of perfectly good food is rejected bananaa being to straight.

Capitalism has a gensiuys for sperating cause and effect. Passingteh costs of stuff onto others is aprt of teh system.
 
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Mar 2016
1,116
Australia
#18
Again you jump to the extreme position that ANY criticism of capitalism must be involve the complete rejection of it and all it's works. Really how can you have any debate on any subject when you are always syiang you have to 100% for something or 100& against?

They people to drive around the CBD towing billboards. Boring deadend job. Traffic congention. Pollution. Really how could such a job exists outside of a capitalist framework?

Is not Junk mail a uselss industry generated by capitalism?

Explain advertising. Either it does not work and the entire industry is useless. Or it dos and people are being influenced to buy stay they don;t really need.

something like 1/3 of food is thrown away in Asutralia before it's gets to teh consumer. A lot of perfectly good food is rejected bananaa being to straight.

Capitalism has a gensiuys for sperating cause and effect. Passingteh costs of stuff onto others is aprt of teh system.
The Soviet Union and China had/have far more pollution than the vast majority of capitalist countries. And if you think that only capitalist countries have "traffic congestion", "boring dead-end jobs" and "advertising" you're laughably naive and ignorant. Your criticisms of capitalism, if they can even be dignified to be called that, are very weak, even by the incredibly low standards that socialists usually display.
 
Oct 2012
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#19
Again you jump to the extreme position that ANY criticism of capitalism must be involve the complete rejection of it and all it's works. Really how can you have any debate on any subject when you are always syiang you have to 100% for something or 100& against?

They people to drive around the CBD towing billboards. Boring deadend job. Traffic congention. Pollution. Really how could such a job exists outside of a capitalist framework?

Is not Junk mail a uselss industry generated by capitalism?

Explain advertising. Either it does not work and the entire industry is useless. Or it dos and people are being influenced to buy stay they don;t really need.

something like 1/3 of food is thrown away in Asutralia before it's gets to teh consumer. A lot of perfectly good food is rejected bananaa being to straight.

Capitalism has a gensiuys for sperating cause and effect. Passingteh costs of stuff onto others is aprt of teh system.
So, all products and services that are advertised are not needed? Or maybe the consumers are presented with options? Off course in the ideal socialist society options are not needed, the covernment knows what the people need and that is it.
 

pugsville

Ad Honorem
Oct 2010
9,084
#20
The Soviet Union and China had/have far more pollution than the vast majority of capitalist countries. And if you think that only capitalist countries have "traffic congestion", "boring dead-end jobs" and "advertising" you're laughably naive and ignorant. Your criticisms of capitalism, if they can even be dignified to be called that, are very weak, even by the incredibly low standards that socialists usually display.
Oh right anyone having any criticism of current capitalism MUST be advocating Soviet Russia or red China.

MASSIVE strawmen distraction to not actually address anything of substance.

Throw some personal abuse..

Have you got a problem with actually discussing anything of substance?
 
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