what if germany joined the war in 1943 ?

Sep 2019
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some generals of hitler offered him that . but he wanted to settle the poland matter (invasion of poland ) . he thought Britain would remain unresponsive to the invasion of poland . but he was wrong .

if they joined to war in 1943 , they could use their new technology in battle but they would have been given enough time to mobilize to allies . what's your thoughts ?
 

Chlodio

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Britain and France recognized the threat Hitler posed as early as 1938 if not earlier and began rearming. In 1938, Germany had a head start in the arms race, but by 1939 already, that German advantage was beginning to fade. Germany still had an advantage, but Britain and France were starting to catch up. If Hitler had waited until 1943 he would have lost his advantage altogether. Yes, Hitler would have had more arms in 1943, but the British and French would have had even more. From the perspective of readiness, Hitler was right to attack when he did in 1939.
 
Oct 2019
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Near the dogbowl
some generals of hitler offered him that . but he wanted to settle the poland matter (invasion of poland ) . he thought Britain would remain unresponsive to the invasion of poland . but he was wrong .

if they joined to war in 1943 , they could use their new technology in battle but they would have been given enough time to mobilize to allies . what's your thoughts ?
In the East he would have faced a USSR that had completed its military reforms:
* An actual officer corps.
* A new Stalin line in Poland, and bordering Romania.
* 1942 weapons. The T34/76 would be the main tank, if not replaced in full by the second generation T34s the Soviets were finalizing in 1941 when war broke out. SVTs as the standard rifle. Better communications.
*Note, if this is 1943, if the Soviets see the same buildup as 1941, they might invade first.

In the West:
* French armored divisions.
*Speculation but I would imagine Gamelain would have retired and more aggressive command taken over.
 
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I concur with earlier posters. Also of note is some of the "superior german technology" was developed as a result of lessons learned in the war. The heavy tanks were developed to counter superior allied tanks, various wonder weapons were only produced out of desperation. Germany may not have felt the need to create such things without a war to learn in.
 
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Oct 2019
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Does Roosevelt die in 1944 in this scenario and has Germany developed the atomic bomb?
Also what is the situation with Japan? If Japan attacks in 1941, then by 1943:
1. With Japan as the focus, its getting the full "faith and credit" of the massive US production train hitting it. It may be circling the drain at this point with a literal line of US carriers stretching from Pearl to Kyushu.

2. The US will be in substantial war mode and fully aware of Germany. If Germany declares war that would be even more unwise than historically. If it doesn't, the US is in a position to send massive Lend Lease aid to UK / France immediately.
 

Chlodio

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Also what is the situation with Japan? If Japan attacks in 1941, then by 1943:
1. With Japan as the focus, its getting the full "faith and credit" of the massive US production train hitting it. It may be circling the drain at this point with a literal line of US carriers stretching from Pearl to Kyushu.

2. The US will be in substantial war mode and fully aware of Germany. If Germany declares war that would be even more unwise than historically. If it doesn't, the US is in a position to send massive Lend Lease aid to UK / France immediately.
A lot of what Japan did in 1940-41 was in reaction to events in Europe. For instance, Japan attacked Pearl Harbor because the US put an oil embargo on them, but the oil embargo was in response to Japan seizing French Indochina which Japan only did after France was defeated by Germany. If Europe was peaceful, Japan would have confined her aggression to China or maybe would have still had that undeclared border war with the Soviets, but Japan would not have attacked the US and the Western Europeans alone.
 
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A lot of what Japan did in 1940-41 was in reaction to events in Europe. For instance, Japan attacked Pearl Harbor because the US put an oil embargo on them, but the oil embargo was in response to Japan seizing French Indochina which Japan only did after France was defeated by Germany. If Europe was peaceful, Japan would have confined her aggression to China or maybe would have still had that undeclared border war with the Soviets, but Japan would not have attacked the US and the Western Europeans alone.
Yes, it seriously butterflies what happens in the Pacific.
 

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and has Germany developed the atomic bomb?
No, the Germans stopped attempting to develop an atomic bomb by 1943 because they came to conclusion that the development time of such a weapon was too long to be of any use in the war.
There is no evidence that if the war had not started until 1943 that they would have come to a different conclusion.