What if Germany Won the Battle of Britain?

M.S. Islam

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Jul 2012
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The Germans only had 27 U-boats in June, 1940. Your posts indicate that you believe that there were hundreds, if not thousands of U-boats available for every random concept that occurs to you.

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"Chief of U-boats Karl Dönitz estimated he needed 300 U-boats to defeat the Allied convoys and force Britain into submission. When war broke out on 3 Sept 1939 he had 26 ocean going U-boats. "




Graph showing the number of U-boats at sea at any given time during WWII. Red line includes boats in the Mediterranean (blue line).

Combat strength of the U-boat Force - Kriegsmarine U-boat Operations - uboat.net
They actually had 57 U boats at the start of the war, as per Anglo-German Naval treaty.
 

Davidius

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Dec 2010
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U boats could be provisioned at harbors/docks, couldn't they be?
Yes.
And in order to reach the U boat in it’s nice safe berth the supply ship has to cross two thousand kms of rough, unpredictable Atlantic, avoiding RAF And RN patrols.
It just isn’t as simple as you seem to think.
 

pikeshot1600

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Jul 2009
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They actually had 57 U boats at the start of the war, as per Anglo-German Naval treaty.
M.S., pre-modern (pre-war) submarines had just barely enough room for their crews and for what they needed to live on. U boats were not designed as, and could not be used as, supply ships for land forces - even small forces as you mention for Iceland. They didn't have enough of them in any case.

I mentioned before that there were already British and Canadian troops in Iceland well before the B.o.B. (As I recall two or more infantry brigades with their supporting equipment.) I can't see this occupation of Iceland as a reasonable scenario - speculative as it is :).
 

royal744

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Jul 2013
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Destroyers operated where the U boats were, and who operated far off British isles to stay out of range from RAF. With German air superiority, they would attack closer to Britain.



Without British isles to land and operate from, US involvement in European theater would be nothing for Hitler to worry about.
Yes, of course. This must be why when it came time for the US to invade North Africa, half the ships came directly from the US with no stopping in Great Britain, because, you know, you can’t fight the Germans unless you have the British Isles. Not. The German Luftwaffe was exactly the wrong Air Force to attack England with: it was a tactical Air Force designed for close support of the Wehrmacht. The lack of long range “heavies” may have cost the Luftwaffe the war, but there were many factors involved.
 
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pugsville

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Oct 2010
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That image was not properly captioned. This one is:
Invasion of Iceland - Wikipedia
IT's still just a map of where the British decdied to invade. It is NOT a map of all possible landing areas, There MAY be many more. Teh information conatined is quite limited. It does not show ALL the spots that have to be defended.

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With German presence on the island, a few U boats were bound to be lurking around. That sort of head on attempt to invade by RN were unlikely.
The Germans have very few u-boats. and what you going to halfd the U boat fleet stationed various pionts around iceland. defeats the entire piont of having it as a base.
 

M.S. Islam

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Jul 2012
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Yes.
And in order to reach the U boat in it’s nice safe berth the supply ship has to cross two thousand kms of rough, unpredictable Atlantic, avoiding RAF And RN patrols.
It just isn’t as simple as you seem to think.
Issue regarding supply convoys has already covered in other posts. A convoy carrying provisions for few months offloads at Iceland, and the U boats were to be resupplied from there. The convoy goes back home port to make the next journey few months later.
 

M.S. Islam

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I mentioned before that there were already British and Canadian troops in Iceland well before the B.o.B. (As I recall two or more infantry brigades with their supporting equipment.) I can't see this occupation of Iceland as a reasonable scenario - speculative as it is :).
I also mentioned before that German invasion had to happen before the British one.
 

M.S. Islam

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IT's still just a map of where the British decdied to invade. It is NOT a map of all possible landing areas, There MAY be many more. Teh information conatined is quite limited. It does not show ALL the spots that have to be defended.
"The invasion was performed because the British government feared that the island would be used by the Germans,"

and the caption of the map reads:

"Initial British aims were to destroy landing grounds (blue) and secure harbours (red)"

.. to stop probable German invasion.

The Germans have very few u-boats. and what you going to halfd the U boat fleet stationed various pionts around iceland. defeats the entire piont of having it as a base.
U boats operating on the Atlantic theater would come to Iceland to be resupplied. Therefore, U boats would frequent the area anyway; no need to allocate a few for this purpose.
 

Edratman

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Feb 2009
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U boats operating on the Atlantic theater would come to Iceland to be resupplied. Therefore, U boats would frequent the area anyway; no need to allocate a few for this purpose.
The supply needs of U-boats are food, fuel and torpedoes; all of which are commodities that are in short supply on Iceland.

Your concepts appear to be deficient in practicality.