What if Greeks captured Constantinople from the Turks in the 20th Century

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Nov 2012
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What if they recaptured the city and won the entire European area of Turkey. Also please also assume the parts of West coast of Turkey where Greeks were in majority remain with Turkey (as the place is inaccessible for direct conquest) but Greece also retains hold on Cyprus. Assume remaining Greeks of Turkey now come into this reconquered portion of European Turkey. How differently would history pan out?

Would Turks still retain a lot of their strength and influence? Would Greek civilization and greatness of the old Greeks return with Egyptian and Anatolian Greeks all settling in with the elite Greeks of Constantinople? Was the loss of this city the reason for modern Greek decadence? Would Athens and Sparta lose their prominence? Would Athens be capital or Constantinople in this case?
 
Feb 2016
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Japan
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Not much would change.

Turkey would play football in the Asian cup.
Istanbul would have its old name back.
Greece would be slightly larger... but not much different.
 
Aug 2015
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i would think that greece would be a much more influential country and also would not be in such a huge debt. that said, i could imagine a massacre of turks within the captured cities. the greek population would be much larger. meanwhile turkey would still have the western half of anatolia. i could imagine them still being modernized under ataturk but their military and economic capacities would be much weakened. perhaps the greeks would decide to invade even further and conquer more of the balkans and also possibly the rest of turkey. constantinople would probably not have been named the capital, atleast in the beggining due to the number of turks there. eventually that might have changed tho
 
Nov 2012
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i would think that greece would be a much more influential country and also would not be in such a huge debt. that said, i could imagine a massacre of turks within the captured cities. the greek population would be much larger. meanwhile turkey would still have the western half of anatolia. i could imagine them still being modernized under ataturk but their military and economic capacities would be much weakened. perhaps the greeks would decide to invade even further and conquer more of the balkans and also possibly the rest of turkey. constantinople would probably not have been named the capital, atleast in the beggining due to the number of turks there. eventually that might have changed tho
While Greeks wud have more prestige but I dont see them being any better and Turkey would still be stronger despite loss of the city. The modern Greeks are just not at the same level as their ancestors which is sad. All ancient civilizations such as Persia, India, China, Egypt etc. all have retained some form of their past greatness (if not all of it), but Greece has completly paled and is no more at that global level of greatness of its past. Which is sad and I speak as a fan of Ancient Greece and Greek culture in general.
 
Aug 2015
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While Greeks wud have more prestige but I dont see them being any better and Turkey would still be stronger despite loss of the city. The modern Greeks are just not at the same level as their ancestors which is sad. All ancient civilizations such as Persia, India, China, Egypt etc. all have retained some form of their past greatness (if not all of it), but Greece has completly paled and is no more at that global level of greatness of its past. Which is sad and I speak as a fan of Ancient Greece and Greek culture in general.
well it depends on how much greece conquers. u said western turkey included. if the greeks were able to take ankara, it would greatly cripple the turks. it would also greek influence in different countries, particularly anatolia and the middle east. also the greek economy would not be that bad off. that said, the current greece is a shadow of its former self. however all the other ancient civilizations arent doing good and lost most of its prestige as well. china lost alot of its cultural heritage under mao zedong. persia is in chaos. india is doing ok but lost alot of culture under the brits. egypt isnt doing that well either. its a hard comparison.
 
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Nov 2012
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well it depends on how much greece conquers. u said eastern turkey included. if the greeks were able to take ankara, it would greatly cripple the turks. it would also greek influence in different countries, particularly anatolia and the middle east. also the greek economy would not be that bad off. that said, the current greece is a shadow of its former self. however all the other ancient civilizations arent doing good and lost most of its prestige as well. china lost alot of its cultural heritage under mao zedong. persia is in chaos. india is doing ok but lost alot of culture under the brits. egypt isnt doing that well either. its a hard comparison.
I didnt say Greeks take eastern Turkey. I just said they take whole of Cyprus and European part of Turkey upto Constantinople. Remaining areas remain Turkey (including Greek majority west coast).
WELL India and China are still maintaining their culture.
I was not however even talking about culture but Iran, China and India do maintain some level of civilizational greatness of some kind even in modern context. Egypt has been colonized for three millenia almost. So its not fair comparison but even then it is the only nation that has fought Islamist forces successfully without breaking down. Look at Syria and Iraq and compare how Egypt managed to get a liberal govt. in power despite a group like Muslim Brotherhood. Greeks are nowhere near what they were. A complete basket case for a nation that produce Sophocles and Socrates and Euclid this is as worst as it can be.
 
Feb 2016
680
Athens,Greece
#10
I disagree about Greek decay.

We have been the greatest ever existed (might be second when it comes to Chinese) and we still remain alive and kicking despite the hardships.
Let's not forget that Classical Greece had to face only one serious enemy from the East,the Great Iranian nation,while today we have been a Western vassal state facing Slavic threat from the North and Islamic from the East.
Similar situation exists in Poland,where the country is a sandwich amidst Germanic West and Russia.
Other european nations in case they were located where Greeks are, would have ceased to exist long time ago.
Comparing Greeks to Chinese and Indians who possess outstanding demography is rather naive not to mention obsolete.

Our recent achievements have been the revolution against the Ottoman Empire which messed up whole European monarchies,our successful military campaigns against a much greater enemy-Fascist Italy-,our resistance against National Socialist Germany-we have killed as many Germans as we could like Serbians did-, and we didn't scare ourselves fighting against British occupation of Cyprus with unsuccessful outcome though.

If you name Greece a failed state after these achievements there's sth wrong with your understanding of truth and perception of truth.


Regards.
 
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