What if the British Empire never collapsed?

Oct 2017
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What if the British kept everything in line so well, that they could maintain their empire from collapsing. The Indians never fought for independence and never sought to split from Britain. The Australians, Canadians, and New Zealanders, never lost their British identity when they colonized, therefore never becoming dominions but overseas territories. Africa was garrisoned so well, no nation, not even Egypt, dared to fight the British. Would they seek to expand more? Or would they just be the worlds sole super power like the United States?
 

Lord Fairfax

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What if the British kept everything in line so well, that they could maintain their empire from collapsing
The Empire never "collapsed".

The Australians, Canadians, and New Zealanders, never lost their British identity
What makes you think that Canada or the Anzacs "lost" their British identity?

Who do you suppose is on our money?
Who do you think issues our passports?
 

stevev

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Apr 2017
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What do you mean by "collapse". The size of the empire peaked after WWII when it took over parts of former the Ottoman Empire. But you could say it was more powerful before WWI given the expenses of the war. Pick a date when it "lost" Canada, Australia or New Zealand. Officially these are still "Realms" of the Monarch though independent of the British Pariament. You can choose 1931 when the term "British Empire" was replaced by British Commonwealth and later "The Commonwealth of Nations." However India and much of Africa were still under British rule as well as other possessions. The Monarch had the title Emperor of India until 1947. In the 1950's and 60s Britain actively granted indpendnence to most of it its remaining possession except for a few overseas territories.

The British Empire never collapsed. It just adapted to the new conditons that no longer favored colonial empires. They were not the only ones.
 
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YouLoveMeYouKnowIt

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Oct 2013
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The British Empire was founded on the principle of "Aryans" conquering others and ruling them based on superior race. The White Man's Burden was the justification for doing what we charge the Nazis or Soviets with (world domination), except the British were worst because they actually achieved it. All of India and Africa would remain the subhuman slave continent in which Britain would exploit for natural resources and labour, predating the Nazi exploitation of Europeans for slave labour, and of course doing what the barbaric, pre-21st Century world has always done which was to exploit conquered people for slave labour).

The world would be worse off for the vast majority. Now if the British Empire remained, of course some people will be happy. That's understandable because to some people it is not wrong for races to compete over the Earth and have the winner exploit the other side as tools and slaves.
 

Lord Fairfax

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The White Man's Burden was the justification for doing what we charge the Nazis or Soviets with (world domination
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The Nazis (and Soviets) were not charged with world domination but were accused of genocide
 

YouLoveMeYouKnowIt

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Oct 2013
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And where have you read this rubbish?
Aryan is a modern concept
Direct quote from Churchill.

The wider point is that you can swap the word Aryan with White Man, and it is undeniable what the British Empire is about: I don't want Asians and Africans to be your kind's helot.
 

YouLoveMeYouKnowIt

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The Nazis (and Soviets) were not charged with world domination but were accused of genocide
The Nazis are indeed charged with world domination. The world fantasize over and over, with novels like Fatherland, games like Wolfenstein, and adaptations like Man in the High Castle as to what would happen if the Nazis conquered or dominated the world, but we fail to acknowledge this speculation was reality of the British Empire.

World domination is something the majority of the world reserve for the vilest and most ignoble villains of any fantasy or science fiction, yet we don't call a spade a spade and just admit Britain was that villain and managed what the Nazis apparently tried but couldn't.
 

Lord Fairfax

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Direct quote from Churchill.

The wider point is that you can swap the word Aryan with White Man, and it is undeniable what the British Empire is about: I don't want Asians and Africans to be your kind's helot.
Winston I assume you mean?

The British Empire was hundreds of years old by the time he arrived on the scene, Churchill had nothing to do with the founding of the Empire