What if the Western Allies bombed soviet oil feilds in 1940?

Jan 2017
16
Philly
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What are the implications of a Soviet-Axis alliance

-The Empire of Japan had a dispute on Attacking the US or The Soviets for resources if The Soviet Union was forced into an alliance with the Axis would pearl Harbor be Necessary ?

-And if they did How would the united states go about combatting them? There GDP is Larger than all 4 countries combine in 1940 would they invade through Alaska and simultaneously through Africa then eventually through Amphibious means ? What about Atomic Weapons

-What about in France? The Nation fell in 6 weeks this could have been even shorter with the soviets assistance

-What if the Red air force participated in the battle of Britain ?

-Would The Communist party of China become part of the Axis and the Nationalist party Join the Allies ?

-And Finally what about post WW2 implications ?
 

pugsville

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Oct 2010
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What are the implications of a Soviet-Axis alliance
Not a lot immediately. Stalin and Hitler hate each other any allaince is strictly short term and what can be gained. Stalin is not going to do Hitler nay favors. Red Army troops on German controlled soil just is not going to happen. Any trade is going to be on what each side can get basis.


-The Empire of Japan had a dispute on Attacking the US or The Soviets for resources if The Soviet Union was forced into an alliance with the Axis would pearl Harbor be Necessary ?
Juts coz Stalin don't like the Allies, don't mean he's going to give anything to the Japanese. Japanese resource situation is unchanged.


-And if they did How would the united states go about combatting them? There GDP is Larger than all 4 countries combine in 1940 would they invade through Alaska and simultaneously through Africa then eventually through Amphibious means ? What about Atomic Weapons
Bu the Soviets have no real way top attack teh western Allies. No real naval capacity in the pacific (and not much elsewhere) no prospect of Alaska at all., Logistics mean projecting Soviet power into the Middle eats is questionable. They could over run Persia. But does exactly lead any where.

-What about in France? The Nation fell in 6 weeks this could have been even shorter with the soviets assistance
There would be no soviet assistance. Stalin would not offer and the Germans would not accept. Soviet troops in Germany, is something they simply would not accept.

-What if the Red air force participated in the battle of Britain ?
NO.

-Would The Communist party of China become part of the Axis and the Nationalist party Join the Allies ?
No.
 
Jan 2018
70
Iowa
I think Germany was perceived as being able to project power in Europe and the Med much more than USSR. Therefore - the Allies were not going to take a leak on Stalin's boots by trying to strengthen any treaty agreement with Germany via bombing the USSR or any other provocative action.

Realistically - they hoped Hitler turned on Stalin otherwise getting Hitler out of France and Western Europe was going to be a LONG war.

Hitler's best play to hold power was not to invade USSR when he did. But he was not capable of seeing that. His view was the Russians would give up if kicked in the teeth enough times like they did in WW1. But Stalin was firmly in power - unlike the Czar is WW1. The parallel Hitler needed to look at was Nepoleon - but even if he recognized the similarities Hitler was going with his gut - that Nazi Germany would win regardless of the risks so invading USSR was going to happen.
 
Apr 2017
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U.S.A.
The allies bombing Soviet oil production in 1940 would only makes things slightly easier for Germany when they invade the next year. Aside from that it would change little.
 
Feb 2016
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Atlantic Ocean
it would mean no lend lease for the Soviets which would have been very interesting, contrary to popular belief the soviets did need those goods
 

aggienation

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Jul 2016
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USA
First, tactically, any such raids would have been disastrous because the 1939 British and French bomber commands had no clue what they were doing. Even if they found a way to reach them from a super secret undetectable moving of forces to the Middle East to stage there, they'd not have been very effective, especially when viewed in the long run. The only way to stop the oil is to destroy all the infrastructure, and the Oil Campaign done later in the war should demonstrate how difficult that actually was, and that by a much more capable bombing force who'd learned many lessons since '41-42. But there is almost no way the secret would have been kept, as both govts were riddled with Soviet spies.

And it would have almost surely led to a Soviet declaration of war against them, not something fun to consider considering war against Germany too. So that would have the western allies facing off against the #1 and #2 military powers of Europe. As it was, they couldn't even hold off Germany alone.
 

Futurist

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May 2014
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First, tactically, any such raids would have been disastrous because the 1939 British and French bomber commands had no clue what they were doing. Even if they found a way to reach them from a super secret undetectable moving of forces to the Middle East to stage there, they'd not have been very effective, especially when viewed in the long run. The only way to stop the oil is to destroy all the infrastructure, and the Oil Campaign done later in the war should demonstrate how difficult that actually was, and that by a much more capable bombing force who'd learned many lessons since '41-42. But there is almost no way the secret would have been kept, as both govts were riddled with Soviet spies.
All of this appears to make sense.

And it would have almost surely led to a Soviet declaration of war against them, not something fun to consider considering war against Germany too. So that would have the western allies facing off against the #1 and #2 military powers of Europe. As it was, they couldn't even hold off Germany alone.
With the Soviets already being in the Axis, though, does Hitler actually have the nerve to invade them?
 

Lord Fairfax

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Jan 2015
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Bu the Soviets have no real way top attack teh western Allies. No real naval capacity in the pacific (and not much elsewhere) no prospect of Alaska at all., Logistics mean projecting Soviet power into the Middle eats is questionable. They could over run Persia. But does exactly lead any where.


There would be no soviet assistance. Stalin would not offer and the Germans would not accept. Soviet troops in Germany, is something they simply would not accept.


NO.


No.
Good answer from Professor NO. :D

Even the attack into Persia is questionable, supplying an entire Soviet army over the single rail line through Baku is just asking for trouble.
 

Theodoric

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Mar 2012
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It's not a viable scenario, it makes no sense for the allies to bomb the Soviets in response to the Nazis invading allied nations.

First of all, an alliance between the Soviets and Nazis was impossible - the whole drive for Nazification was at the expense of ideologies championed by the USSR, and also the German domination of Slavic people who made up the majority of Soviet populace.

You might as well say, "Instead of attacking Nazis, what if the allies bombed the US instead?"
 
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