What is socialism with Chinese characteristics

Jul 2019
71
hongkong
1912 The Chinese Empire is over. the Chinese have studied capitalism and communism. but the Chinese think that the western ideology is not suitable for China and they begin to back for the traditional.

socialism with Chinese characteristics is chinaism. It does not universal value. Can only be used by Chinese.

The chinaism originated from the Qin. All dynasties and modern China are carry it. Never changed.

Qin's system has three main cores:

1. Centralization

Qin established the province and was directly managed by the central government. Separatism will be considered a treason.

2. Elitism

Qin established the bureaucracy. All the officials are recruited through the national examination and ordinary people with ability can also participate. for example, Shang Yang maker of Qin law, but he not Qin national.

3. Double market

Qin established state-owned enterprise based on the "Discourses on Salt and Iron". Its purpose is not to make money, but to ensure the stability of the state's fiscal revenue and price. Other industries encourage private companies to develop a market economy.
 

heylouis

Ad Honorem
Apr 2013
6,627
China
socialism with Chinese characteristics, to my mind, that is:

as socialism has been relatively less practiced in the world, it is in development. there is no established rules how a socialism should run, and china in fact invented some principles suitable to run for a society. these principles are not expected to be universally applicable to other nations.

many claim Marx is a westerner, so china should not claim its system a non-western one, and since china learnt many from Marx, chinese traditions are lost in china.

both arguments are wrong.
Marx did not know how to run a country, he did not have any experience of administration.
Marx did not know how industry evolved and how information technologies are developed, those fundamentally changed the ways of social communication and even social structure.
what china has now is largely based on chinese creation.

and chinese traditions are in no contradictory with what china has now.

confucious said "不语怪力乱神" he won't talk about out-of-common-sense superstition claims.
just as in modern day most chinese won't believe in any god. it is fine someone believe in god, but the guy should not attempt to distribute the believe to me, unless i invite him/her to do it.

it is also generally perceived the first important action confucious took when he was granted a high rank position, is that he ordered the death sentence of a person previously loved by folks due to his "beautiful" speeches. the event was considered rightful and necessary.
during discussions on modern china, when found chinese people disagree with them and strongly propose the disagreement, many western people would talk about patience and peace of chinese people. in fact, that sounds more like to ask chinese to grin and bear. they should know chinese tradition better, that chinese do not like hypocritical "beautiful" speeches. and they should know the story of confucious on the death sentence ordered by him.
 
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Baldtastic

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Aug 2009
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Socialism is a pretty well defined socio-economic (mostly economic) model for a state, it's origins and first applications are entirely western. Marx himself was a westerner.

Anyone who thinks Communism - or any ideology from Marx/Engles thought - is not rooted in western traditions, philosophy and economics has not looked into the origins of Marx himself or his inspirations; a German writing in the UK about European/western Capitalism. As one clear demonstration of this fact, the terminology used by Marx is entirely western, for example “bourgeoisie” is not a Chinese word yet is fundamental to his ideology.

Communism/Marxism is as much Chinese as it is North Korean; both regimes have adapted Marxs' ideology to suit their own governments/states; "communism with Chinese characteristics" and " Juche" respectively.
 

Naomasa298

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Apr 2010
35,493
T'Republic of Yorkshire
1912 The Chinese Empire is over. the Chinese have studied capitalism and communism. but the Chinese think that the western ideology is not suitable for China and they begin to back for the traditional.

socialism with Chinese characteristics is chinaism. It does not universal value. Can only be used by Chinese.

The chinaism originated from the Qin. All dynasties and modern China are carry it. Never changed.

Qin's system has three main cores:

1. Centralization

Qin established the province and was directly managed by the central government. Separatism will be considered a treason.

2. Elitism

Qin established the bureaucracy. All the officials are recruited through the national examination and ordinary people with ability can also participate. for example, Shang Yang maker of Qin law, but he not Qin national.

3. Double market

Qin established state-owned enterprise based on the "Discourses on Salt and Iron". Its purpose is not to make money, but to ensure the stability of the state's fiscal revenue and price. Other industries encourage private companies to develop a market economy.

Your topics are veering close to modern politics. We will only permit discussion in a HISTORICAL context.

Be very careful.
 
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heylouis

Ad Honorem
Apr 2013
6,627
China
Your topics are veering close to modern politics. We will only permit discussion in a HISTORICAL context.

Be very careful.
socialism with Chinese characteristics is a theory formally proposed by deng xiaoping in 1982 (<1990)

as Marxism is not necessarily related with politics, this theory is also not necessarily related with politics.
 

Larrey

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Sep 2011
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Everything is political. Even if you are not interested in politics, politics might still be interested in you – as Pericles put it.
 
Mar 2019
1,809
KL
i must say that china's current dictator Xi guy is turning out to be imperialistic, chinese system was always imperial and not social or capitalistic. china never knew capitalism or socialism, so china is fundamentally following an outsider system, chinese system was probably imperialism and confusianism and nothing else, there was no concept of private companies and market economy in china.

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Jan 2016
611
United States, MO
China is a modern nation-state which fuzes both socialist and nationalist ideologies. China used to be more socialist then it is, with collectivization and a micromanaged economy, but Deng realized that this was disastrous, so he created a highly regulated capitalist economy in certain parts of the country. Also, China uses nationalist rhetoric to reinforce the CCP’s interpretation of the status quo and cultivate support among the population.

To say the the nation is some kind of continuation of a confucian-legalist state is counter-factual. The country is literally called “The People’s Republic of China” the concepts of “people’s” and “republic” directly come from the west as does socialism, communism, capitalism, modern theories of economics, and a nationalized education system.

Confucius and Shang Yang did not know anything about the China of today and would not recognize anything about its political structure, because it is all fairly modern. According to the Confucian tradition, women should not be equal to men, but modern china espouses gender equity. This is a direct rejection of confucianism in favor of a communist or western notion of feminism.

Many early Chinese communists and revolutionaries despised confucianism and saw it as a backwards medieval ideology like how sharia law is sometimes viewed today.

Some people may view President Xi as an emperor, but he is not. Although he has done away with term limits and presumably seized power for decades to come, he did not come to power through inheritance, and the next president of China should not be his son. If that did happen, he would at least be getting fairly close to an emperor though.

Also, i am not saying that confucianism does not exist in modern china, but the confucianism of today is nothing like the ancient philosophy, and the Chinese state is a modern nation-state modeled after other western states, which uses things like confucianism to inspire a sense of uniqueness among the chinese citizenry, but they only started doing this since the 1980s. The foundations of the PRC rest of the shoulders of Mao and he was antithetical to traditional Chinese forms of statehood.