What is the largest that Germany can realistically become?

pugsville

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Oct 2010
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What about the German Reichstag if the German Kaiser will push to give them more power and if Germany's electoral laws are reformed in order to make them fairer?
So the Kiaser is going to ally himself with the socialists and impose these polices on the rest of the good and powerful in Prussian society.

Assassination solves that problem of class traitor.
 

pugsville

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Oct 2010
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Postwar the Kaiser would remain reduced to a figurehead and H&L would choose the chancellor. The structure of a democracy would therefore exist, but General Staff would have ultimate control of the country for some time.
If H&L chose the chancellor (and lets be frank H was a political non-entity it would be L) then the structure of democracy is NOT in place. but a military dictatorship.
 

stevev

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Apr 2017
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If H&L chose the chancellor (and lets be frank H was a political non-entity it would be L) then the structure of democracy is NOT in place. but a military dictatorship.
It would be a military dictatorship unless or until the Junta decided otherwise. Nevertheless the prewar institutions would still exist . The change is that the Kaiser would no longer appoint the chancellor; the Junta would. The legislature never had that power. The Junta may allow civil government at some time but still hold ultimate veto power. If at some point it the Junta dissolves itself the machinery of a parliamentary democracy are in place.
 
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pugsville

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Oct 2010
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It would be a military dictatorship unless or until the Junta decided otherwise Nevertheless the prewar institutions would still exist . The change is that the Kaiser would no longer appoint the chancellor; the junta would. The legislature never had that power. The Junta may allow civil government at some time but still hold ultimate veto power. If at some point it the Junta dissolves itself the machinery of a democracy are in place.
Why wouldn't the Milary dictatorship under L seek to ikpose a lasting political settlement on their terms? L was far from apolitical and what would stop him imposing a new constitution with much more limited democracy? The Junta just fading away without some attempt at controlling the polirtical development in teh longer term seems naive.
 

stevev

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Why wouldn't the Milary dictatorship under L seek to ikpose a lasting political settlement on their terms? L was far from apolitical and what would stop him imposing a new constitution with much more limited democracy? The Junta just fading away without some attempt at controlling the polirtical development in teh longer term seems naive.
Ludendorff might do that. How would he limit democracy? If the chancellor is not elected by the legislature (implying political parties which actually existed in prewar Germany), who appoints the chancellor if there's no Junta? Under Weimar, it was an elected president who had the final say as to the chancellor.
 

pugsville

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Oct 2010
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Ludendorff might do that. How would he limit democracy? If the chancellor is not elected by the legislature (implying political parties which actually existed in prewar Germany), who appoints the chancellor if there's no Junta? Under Weimar, it was an elected president who had the final say as to the chancellor.
there's no end of possible conututions or chnages that while allowing some limited democracy leave almost all the power to a fairly small upper class.

Having say a senate that's appointed (and there after self apportioning to vacancies ) appiont president,

stacking the electoral system by class like Prussia
Prussian three-class franchise - Wikipedia
 

stevev

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Apr 2017
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there's no end of possible conututions or chnages that while allowing some limited democracy leave almost all the power to a fairly small upper class.

Having say a senate that's appointed (and there after self apportioning to vacancies ) appiont president,

stacking the electoral system by class like Prussia
Prussian three-class franchise - Wikipedia
Fine, but who appoints the chancellor? Would it be Weimar type constitution with a powerful president elected by a limited franchise? Would voters be limited by class or perhaps by property given this is now the 20th century? In this case we no longer have a constitutional monarchy.
 
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Futurist

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May 2014
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If H&L chose the chancellor (and lets be frank H was a political non-entity it would be L) then the structure of democracy is NOT in place. but a military dictatorship.
I've read on alternatehistory.com that L was only able to amass so much power due to the fact that it was wartime. That allowed him to use the 1851 Prussian Siege Law, but when the war would be over, this law would apparently no longer be applicable.
 

Futurist

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May 2014
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So the Kiaser is going to ally himself with the socialists and impose these polices on the rest of the good and powerful in Prussian society.

Assassination solves that problem of class traitor.
Assassination is extremely risky, though. If you fail, you get hanged--as the July 20th conspirators discovered in real life.
 

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